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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: George W. Bush

“It’s no accident that the Dims selected a Mormon to lead their Senate. They are trying to split our loyal Mormon allies from the Party Of Reagan.”

Believe me, those of us Mormons who are politically aware are mortified by Reid and would love to see him defeated at the polls. If splitting Mormons away was their tactic, it has backfired.


561 posted on 05/05/2007 4:15:23 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

Urban societies are generally liberal. Rural societies are generally conservative.

Colorado has become more Urban and infiltrated by the left. It has happened in Montana, and will continue to happen in Utah, Nevada, and even Wyoming to a lesser extent. Mormons cannot have enough babies to counter balance it. The tide is turning in the West. The only way to stop it is to promote our ideals.

They don’t necessarily have to be LDS ideals, they can be conservative ideals, or rugged individualism.

One thing that disturbs me about Mormonism is the tendency to think they are better than the rest of us. Why heck, if it weren’t for all those good Mormon folks in Utah, it would just be another liberal State.

Don’t be confused tantiboh, conservatism is a solid political idea - - it is not Mormonism and it is not dependant upon Mormonism, and it will continue even if Mormonism is wiped from the face of the earth. The rugged indivualist of this country drive it, Mormonism does not.


562 posted on 05/05/2007 4:17:02 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: Saundra Duffy
3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

LOL! This reminds me of those worries that floated around about John F. Kennedy and, if I'm correct, Clarence Thomas taking orders from the Pope.

563 posted on 05/05/2007 4:18:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: tantiboh
Did Joseph Smith find gold tablets and then lose them? Did JS advocate polygamy? If the answer is yes then I just find the history of your religion a little weird and hard to swallow but then I don’t have to.

If Romney is the republican candidate, I will have no problem voting for him. I respect Mormons for the upstanding citizens they are now but I don’t need the books, thanks.

564 posted on 05/05/2007 4:20:55 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: tantiboh; xzins; MHGinTN
His explanation is that he has always been privately pro-life, and publicly laissez-faire.

Gee, Tantiboh, the man is admitting he lies for "political reasons". Is that like "Lying for the Lord"? Sure inspires confidence in the man's word.

565 posted on 05/05/2007 4:20:58 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: colorcountry

“The GOP is FAR, FAR more in need of the Evangelicals whom (if we can use the OP as any indication) are completely despised by the LDS.”

You know that’s not true, CC. Evangelicals make great converts!


566 posted on 05/05/2007 4:23:07 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh
And so the argument commences. Pretty soon, names like non-Christian, bigot, cultist, polygamist, etc. start flying around. It’s silly, foolish, and childish. It’s doing no one any good.

It'll end up doing the Dims a lot of good if it torpedoes our most able and attractive candidate. This first debate showed that Romney at least has that potential. The man seems likable, perhaps with the kind of charisma to make him a crossover, Reagan-landslide kind of candidate. And his wife is great in public, a real sweetheart.

If Romney is for real as a conservative, this is incredibly destructive.

I guess it's a good thing to have such a long pre-primary season. More time to find out about candidates, throw liberals under the bus (Giuliani), pin down Romney so we know who he really is.

Maybe getting this debate out of the way early, letting people really take it out on each other, will be a good thing. Then when things get more serious toward the end of '07, FR management can clamp down on it. But I would hate to see us sidelined or turned into an anti-Mormon site because of this stuff.
567 posted on 05/05/2007 4:27:39 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Thanks for sharing.


568 posted on 05/05/2007 4:28:53 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: colorcountry

“Mormonism teaches that every member should use any oportunity and any means necessary to convert people. So do Christians. But don’t assume there was no ulterior motive in the actions of these young men. They are sent on Mission precisely to do what they did for your parents. This is one of their “methods of operation.” They were doing their job, and doing it very well.”

I’m very impressed with you well you worked genuine Christian service into a cynical ploy to subvert a victim’s faith. Unless I read the story wrong, the parents never converted.


569 posted on 05/05/2007 4:33:17 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Netizen
No, Jesus never said that the Father is the ONLY one to talk to...So the Nephite disciples were off-base? Stephen was wrong?

What about Jesus' invite to openly "sup" with Him? "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and him with me." (Rev. 3:20)

I guess if we got ahold of LDS apostle Bruce McConkie's notes from the '80s, we'd see Rev. 3:20 excised from his Bible. [That would be seeking a "special relationship" with Jesus]

570 posted on 05/05/2007 4:34:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry

Mormons are very, very good at being good people. Many are very, very bad at humility and admitting their own sins. They are “proud” as one poster put it. They do not look to the Savior for salvation, but as their own article of faith #3 states:

“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”

They think their own perfect obedience and works will earn them Exaltation and godhood. It isn’t a Christian teaching. This is just one example

CC the Lord can read our hearts and minds and if one is just doing something for unlawful gain the Lord is aware.

Do you think backbiting rebellious souls reside in the present of the God?

How can the savior save one if the sinner refuses to change their way or say I was born that way, or blame it on the Lord that the way God made me, and so many souls don’t want to change their ways and allowed the Lord to edify them?

Our Judeo-Christian Laws and Covenants (contracts) come from God.

God had made a Covenant with Abraham and his seed but a covenant which is a contract is honored when there is a meeting of two minds.

D&C 132: 4, 6-7,
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
• • •
6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

Gen. 17: 2, 4, 7, 9-11,
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
• • •
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
• • •
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
• • •
9 ¶ And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

3 Ne. 20: 12, 19, 22, 25-27, 29, 46
12 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that when they shall be fulfilled then is the fulfilling of the covenant which the Father hath made unto his people, O house of Israel.
• • •
19 For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.
• • •
22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.
• • •
25 And behold, ye are the children of the prophets; and ye are of the house of Israel; and ye are of the covenant which the Father made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 The Father having raised me up unto you first, and sent me to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities; and this because ye are the children of the covenant—
27 And after that ye were blessed then fulfilleth the Father the covenant which he made with Abraham, saying: In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed—unto the pouring out of the Holy Ghost through me upon the Gentiles, which blessing upon the Gentiles shall make them mighty above all, unto the scattering of my people, O house of Israel.
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29 And I will remember the covenant which I have made with my people; and I have covenanted with them that I would gather them together in mine own due time, that I would give unto them again the land of their fathers for their inheritance, which is the land of Jerusalem, which is the promised land unto them forever, saith the Father.
• • •
46 Verily, verily, I say unto you, all these things shall surely come, even as the Father hath commanded me. Then shall this covenant which the Father hath covenanted with his people be fulfilled; and then shall Jerusalem be inhabited again with my people, and it shall be the land of their inheritance.

Conventional religion does not address these covenants which they would have no authority to do so anyway, where the priesthood of the Lord does not exist!

The Lord said he would have humble people.

2 Chr. 7
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

D&C 1: 28
28 And inasmuch as they were humble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive knowledge from time to time.
D&C 4: 6
6 Remember faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, brotherly kindness, godliness, charity, humility, diligence.
D&C 11: 12
12 And now, verily, verily, I say unto thee, put your trust in that Spirit which leadeth to do good—yea, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously; and this is my Spirit.
D&C 12: 8
8 And no one can assist in this work except he shall be humble and full of love, having faith, hope, and charity, being temperate in all things, whatsoever shall be entrusted to his care.
D&C 20: 37
37 And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humble themselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall be received by baptism into his church.


571 posted on 05/05/2007 4:35:06 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: GrandEagle; Saundra Duffy
If he ends up with the nomination, I will vote for him.

Same here. The only one I wouldn't vote for is MeCain.

572 posted on 05/05/2007 4:35:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: tantiboh

I said they did their job perfectly by fellowshipping that poor couple.

Thank God, it didn’t work. :-D


573 posted on 05/05/2007 4:35:45 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

LOL! This reminds me of those worries that floated around about John F. Kennedy and, if I'm correct, Clarence Thomas taking orders from the Pope.

Read my post #226: "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

This is an oath taken by Romney in the mormon temple. Are you certain that if Romney took the presidential oath of office it would supersede this oath?

I imagine this is what Hewitt was referring to. I don't think it is a laughing matter.

574 posted on 05/05/2007 4:35:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: George W. Bush

“To tell the truth, I think Romney is much more drawn to it for the Scouting and the focus on family life and community. I don’t perceive him as being very theological.”

Romney is a former Stake President - that’s pretty high in the LDS Church. Such a position is responsible for overseeing an organizational unit of the Church of several thousand members, and is roughly analogous to a Catholic bishop. He’s a very solid, faithful Mormon. He just doesn’t choose to inject his personal religious views into the public debate.


575 posted on 05/05/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Netizen
“I would like to see each state be able to make its own law with regard to abortion. I think the Roe v. Wade one-size-fits-all approach is wrong.”

I wouldn't be so hard on him over that. A number of FReepers agree with him (I'm not one of them).

576 posted on 05/05/2007 4:38:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (G*d bless and heal Virginia Tech!)
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To: tantiboh
Believe me, those of us Mormons who are politically aware are mortified by Reid and would love to see him defeated at the polls. If splitting Mormons away was their tactic, it has backfired.

But just look at what a weak sister Reid really is. Weak mousy diminutive man, scratchy voice, no humor, corrupt business dealings, etc. That is the best choice to represent the Dim Senate Majority?

If you can think of a single reason why he's the Dim majority leader other than as a lure to Mormons toward the Dim party, I'd love to hear it.

Honestly, it should by all rights be Schmucky Schumer. He may be oily but his cold-blooded calculations in '06 (such as cutting off all funds to Xlinton, Nelson, etc.) was key to their victory in the Senate races. Reid has never done anything comparable for their party.

I think it is no coincidence that Reid is a Mormon. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Salt Lake has gone after the FLDS with a vengeance now (but not before the Olympic there). We've all know about FLDS for decades. Why now, eh?

There is a mighty strange confluence of events, all involving Mormons in this. I'm not suggesting anything sinister here. But I do think the Mormon vote and the public reputation of Mormons in general are in extraordinary focus right now. I don't think it's just a coincidence.
577 posted on 05/05/2007 4:40:36 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: tantiboh
You know that’s not true, CC. Evangelicals make great converts!

Oh, sure, throw some gasoline on the fire.

You know, you're going to get the Texas General Baptists on a real tear with that tack.
578 posted on 05/05/2007 4:44:51 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: George W. Bush
Maybe getting this debate out of the way early, letting people really take it out on each other, will be a good thing. Then when things get more serious toward the end of '07, FR management can clamp down on it. But I would hate to see us sidelined or turned into an anti-Mormon site because of this stuff.

Advocating a little censorship there, GWB? You are concerned about "anti-mormon" stuff here, just wait. If Romney gets the nomination, the hounds of hell (meaning the Clinton machine) will be set loose on him through the mainstream media and the Republicans will go down in flames, White House, House and Senate.

579 posted on 05/05/2007 4:45:36 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; needlenose_neely; DelphiUser

I do believe that DU was legitimately pinged into the conversation. I noticed that you and needlenose_neely often appear in the same threads as Mormons. I do not suspect you of trying to harass them.

DU and NN have very similar interests, albeit opposite perspectives. What is surprising about seeing them on many of the same threads?


580 posted on 05/05/2007 4:47:24 PM PDT by tantiboh
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