Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
I didn't ask for the subhead and that is not how you presented it. I asked for the quote. If it was truly our belief that accepting Joseph Smith, as though he were a savior to us (which was your implication), then yes it would be troubling. But, we don't. We accept the testimony of Joseph Smith that Jesus is the Christ, the very son of God. Can you reject that testimony (which was the point of the quote)and enter into the Kingdom of God? Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. His testimony is the divine son-ship of Jesus Christ.
Furthermore, how can I have full confidence in a person who cannot answer a simple question like, "What is the name of the church you go to?"
You don't find that odd?
I can’t answer for D&C anything since I’m not LDS. I was just pointing out that Matthew 28:19 is a contested verse that seems to have changed over the years.
Since you will not apologize for your repeated name calling, I will not cater to it. My communication re: your name will henceforth be in prayer before the Lone throne.
Paul preached his gospel for a couple of years before he went to see any of the Apostles.
Now there's a good question! :)
...and what was the name of the church you go to?
When Jesus saw a viper he called it a viper. I have been rather generous.
“Moses was chastened by the Lord for messing up from time to time. Does that mean he was not a prophet? Hardly.”
Equating Moses with Joseph Smith is quite a laugh. It’s a catch 22 for Mormons if you put him on that level, cause are you saying Joseph Smith parted a Sea and led his CHOSEN PEOPLE to Utah!? If that is the case, then the “Chosen Mormons” are above all other Christians and all this bull pucky about everyone being at the same level has been one big lie.
Of course, there is no $3 bill with Moses’s signature on it. Plus Moses could actually read hieroglyphics instead of just faking the translation of a funery list of gods as the book of Abraham.
So while Moses gave every indication of being an honest prophet from the start, Joseph Smith has every indication of being a petty grifter:
1) searching for buried pirate treasure,
2) losing the gold tablets (if there were any)
3) losing his first translation of the BOM,
4) translating with a seer stone found in a well and kept in his hat
5) claiming to translate hieroglyphics
6) being an adulterous multiple philanderer who tricked a bunch of gullible girls into marriage
7) running a bank scam at Kirtland
If those qualifications are the bona fides of a prophet, then the Prophet/God FastCoyote has some desert land near Searchlight to sell you. I’ve seen the future I tell you, and it’s IN PLASTICS :)
“When Jesus saw a viper he called it a viper. I have been rather generous.”
He wasn’t too kind about false prophets like Joseph Smith either.
“I pray for you MHG, because it seems to me that you have some sort of pent-up anger or frustration that causes you to lash out - to take insult and offense, and to assume the worst in others.”
Actually, some of us are praying for your soul as well, after you’ve taken it upon yourself to damn our souls to hell.
“This goes beyond our theological disagreements. If a person is determined to see a particular group of people as “arrogant” and “condescending,” it’s so much easier to find examples of such.”
Or, it might be that group is arrogant and condescending, believing they are becoming god of their own planets (could that be an indicator of arrogance????.
“Until a person finds a way to take care of such a dilemma, real happiness is much harder to find. Such a person spends their time insulted and bitter.”
As opposed to those who wander about deluded and leading others astray. I vote the second option along with MGH.
He died in Illinois. Brigham Young and the other apostles led the people to Utah.
Latter-Day Saints do have more light and knowledge because we continue to receive revelation from the Lord and we are required to live by it. However, God is no respecter of persons and all are beloved sons and daughters to Him.
The hieroglyphics were produced and attested to by authorities in the field.
I've seen the websites with the supposed facsimile that is supposed to be the original from which Joseph Smith referenced. If that is all you know on the subject then you are woefully uninformed. What did the detractors use to come up with their translation?
1. I have no idea what you are talking about
2. He never lost the gold plates and there were many witnesses to them as you will find in the preface to the Book of Mormon. Those who became disaffected never recanted their witness of the plates.
3.He did not lose a "first translation of the Book of Mormon". The manuscript for the first book within that set of scriptures, the "Book of Lehi" was taken and never returned.
4.Do you know what Moses and the Priests of Arron called the Urim and Thummim? That's in the Old Testament, if you've never read it.
5.His claim is in over a hundred different languages. There is no claim.
6.Like Abraham and Jacob?
7.He did not run a bank in Kirtland and if you were familiar at all with U.S. history you would know that there was a national bank failure at the time, which happened to affect Kirtland. Kirtland was did not start it, was not the center of it, and certainly was insignificant as to the national scope of the crisis.
And yes, Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Gordon B. Hinkley is the living prophet at this moment. Revelation has not ceased, nor the ministering of angels, nor Christ's intimate dealings and direction with His Apostles. The heavens are not shut and yes, the Book of Mormon is the word of God and testifies that Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten of the Father in the flesh.
You are a doll!
“If you have the prophet over for dinner That does not mean he can or will tell you where the other sock went in your dryer, but if it was your favorite pair, it might be good to ask anyway. On the other hand, if he says God told him to say something it’s Gospel!”
God just told the Prophet FastCoyote to tell you you are full of it. And I am 100% sure of this because God told me this, unless he didn’t, in which case I don’t know where your socks are either.
God also told me to tell you to join my banking pyramid scheme which I swear is a moneymaker for true believers. Unless the bank fails, in which case the money I printed up was just for a game of God Monopoly and not really legal tender.
Hey DU, what a pleasant surprise to get a reply from you. I thought you’d given up on me after your last attempt to get me banned:)
Let's try this:
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. What church do you go to?
Good to see you don't let yourself be baited into giving out personal information that has nothing to do with the facts or logic of your argument -- but has a great deal to do with handing others an excuse to attack your views by attacking you personally.
Shifting the topic of debate from the subject under discussion to personalities is one of the many dishonest tactics employed by those who know they can't win on the basis of factual, reasoned argumentation.
Can you say "ad hominem"?
So, I guess inheriting all things would mean I would have many planets and not just one. Is that more arrogant?
Rev. 3: 21 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
So the righteous will sit in God's throne. Is that even more arrogant?
Have you read the scriptures?
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