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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious bigotry, alive and well today

May 4, 2007 - by Saundra Duffy-Hawkins

“I wouldn’t vote for a Mormon for dogcatcher, much less President of the United States!” There’s a lot of that kind of hateful rhetoric going around since Mitt Romney decided to throw his hat in the ring – as if Mormons are some kind of hideous evil monsters. The loudest anti-Mormon shouts, sad to say, are coming from America’s so-called “Christian right”. How can Mitt Romney hope to get a fair shake in this spiritually polluted atmosphere?

There was another man running for President who faced the same dilemma – John F. Kennedy – only he was the target of anti-CATHOLIC bigotry. In his 1960 speech to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, JFK said the following: “. . .I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end - where all men and all churches are treated as equal - where man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice - where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind - and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their words in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.” John F. Kennedy Library & Museum (Speeches, 1960). By the way, if you listen to the audio version of JFK’s speech, you will hear the hurt and frustration in his voice and the unfair treatment surely must have caused many a sleepless night.

Fast forward to 2007 where JFK might as well have been “whistlin’ Dixie”. The hostility toward Mormons today, in my opinion, is even worse than that suffered by JFK. Although it is said that JFK lost about a million votes to religious intolerance, Romney stands to lose even more if the anti-Mormon evangelicals hang together.

According to Media Matters for America - “. . . a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media” - FOX News is not reporting accurately on the level of evangelical hostility to the Romney run. Media Matters for America points out that among evangelical leaders rejecting Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson (National Day of Prayer and Focus on the Family, respectively), the Southern Baptist Convention (collectively), Pat Robertson (Christian Broadcasting Network), and Dr. D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Florida). “Among many conservative evangelicals – who comprise a significant part of the Republican base – Mormonism is considered an un-Christian cult.” Media Matters for America (2007)

While stumping in Florida, a man in the audience stood up during the Q&A portion and said the following to Romney: “You, sir, you’re a pretender. You do not know the Lord. You’re a Mormon.” Media Matters for America (2007). This is the kind of un-American, disrespectful treatment Mitt Romney will apparently have to endure throughout the entire campaign – as if just being a Mormon is reason enough to open the floodgates for free flow of pent-up hatred and vindictiveness.

For the record, the Mormon bashers know full well that the official name of Romney’s church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints” and the members should rightfully be called “members of the LDS Church” but the words “Mormon” and “Mormonism” have an aura of negativity so they prefer to use the “M” word as if it were dirty.

Less than five minutes cruising around the official LDS website (LDS.org) will show anyone who’s interested that the Church is a Christian organization, with Jesus Christ at the Head. There are no paid clergy – all are volunteers. Humanitarian aid is legendary. Members of the LDS Church believe in strong family values; they are patriotic, they are law-abiding upstanding citizens of their community. Many LDS young men right out of high school go on two-year missions – you know, the guys on bikes – and during their mission they don’t date, read newspapers, go to movies or watch TV; but rather they dedicate two years of their lives to serving others. Many women go on missions as well, and couples, only theirs is 18 months in length but the obligations are basically the same. Most members do not shop or go out to eat on Sundays – reminiscent of the good old days when shops and stores were closed in obedience to the Commandment, “Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy”. If they can help it, LDS Church members do not work on Sundays, either, preferring to spend the day at church and with their families. Church members are encouraged to store up a year’s supply of food and water so they will be able to care for their families in the event of an emergency. The LDS Church believes in self-sufficiency and self-reliance but in the event of a financial hardship the Church distributes food and supplies through their welfare (Bishop’s Storehouse) program. Members of the LDS Church do not drink alcohol nor do they use illicit drugs; they do not drink coffee and tea. A Mormon in good standing, therefore, will not be found in a drunken stupor puking her guts out at 3 a.m. anywhere in the world. Furthermore, members of the church are encouraged to dress modestly, be polite and courteous. And members of the LDS Church are faithful tithe payers. Come on, people, what’s not to love?

So what on earth is their beef, the anti-Mormon zealots? Why is there such disdain for the LDS Church and its members? In Hugh Hewitt’s book, “Mormon in the White House?” he states his thesis that the fierce anti-Mormon sentiment among main-stream Christians stems from one or two or all three of the following factors (in order of importance):

1) “It is just too weird.

2) “A Mormon president will supercharge Mormons’ missionary work.

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

Hugh Hewitt has written an exquisite book about the Romney campaign and overcoming the “Mormon problem.” It’s a good read and I highly recommend it. Of the three problem points listed in the previous paragraph, Hewitt believes – unless some unforeseen blunder destroys his chances – none of the three is insurmountable for Mitt Romney. (Plus, he has the best hair.)

Well, I’m no Hugh Hewitt, not even close; he’s an icon on the conservative radio talk show circuit. Hewitt could talk circles around me (I’ve seen him in action in Sacramento); he’s brilliant; he’s well educated, well read, no doubt a genius, plus he’s kind of cute. I’m basically a “nobody” – an overweight grandma – but after having researched for this paper, I have come to a totally different conclusion as to why there is such in-your-face angst over Romney’s religion of choice: It’s all about money, power and control (in that order). I think they’re (the evangelical religious bigots, that is) scared half to death and are revving up their attacks, not to save souls, but to save their reputations (which if tarnished would lead to financial ruin).

As I said, all one must do is browse around the LDS official web site to see what the LDS Church believes and stands for. Any reasonable person would conclude that Mormons are not evil monsters at all. In fact, they are God fearing, Christ believing, Holy Ghost following people going about doing good. “You will know them by their fruit” and the LDS has plenty of fruit and they are willing to share.

Earlier, I stated that some high-powered ministries have publicly condemned Mormons: Shirley and James Dobson, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pat Robertson, and Dr. D. James Kennedy – just to name a few. There are hoards of others. Sunday after Sunday, preachers, evangelists, reverends and ministers from all Christian denominations pound the pulpit with anti-Mormon rhetoric. I heard the message loud clear when I was a Baptist and when I tiptoed through evangelical/Pentecostal territories. Was I ever miffed when I later learned for myself the Gospel truth about the LDS Church.

Just think about it, please. If Dr. D. James Kennedy, for example, who wrote the book, The Wolves Among Us, were to admit he’d been wrong in labeling the LDS Church a “cult” that leads unwary ignorant people astray (to hell), what would become of his multi-million-dollar ministry? Suffice it to say, there’s big money to be had by sale of books, tapes, CD’s, videos, and other anti-Mormon propaganda, not to mention speaking engagements and world-wide religious crusades. We’re talking trillions, all told. I realize the anti-Mormon aspect of these ministries is but a small portion of the business, but if the truth came out, that they had been using falsehoods about the LDS Church as a cash cow, their entire empires could tumble.

The ABC News program 20/20 aired on March 23, 2007, exposed the lavish lifestyles of some of the top evangelical preachers – million dollar mansions and personal jets. ABC News - 20/20 (2007) (Again, the LDS Church has no paid clergy.)

It’s nothing new. Severe harassment and persecution has been the lot of the LDS Church since it’s inception in 1820 when a 14-year-old boy named Joseph Smith saw visions and communed with heavenly beings. Rather than discuss the spiritual aspects of the LDS Church, however, let’s stick to facts of history. Taken from a college-level early American history textbook, Joseph Smith, upon experiencing the visions and visitations, believed “that God had work for me to do, and that my name should be for good and evil among all nations, kindreds and tongues.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 292). The textbook continues, “They were met with hostility virtually everywhere they went . . . . As the movement gathered momentum, hundreds of people joined the church; entire congregations of churches of other faiths joined . . .” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 293)

During the dark time of American history when slavery was flourishing and when Native Americans were forced from their lands, the pioneers of the LDS Church also suffered at the hands of unscrupulous politicians, governmental leaders, and angry hate-filled mobs. “In the face of relentless persecution, Joseph Smith, the founder of the church, had led his flock to Illinois. There they had established the town of Nauvoo, which by the mid-1840’s had become the largest city in Illinois with over 15,000 people. . . In June 1844, a mob of non-Mormons broke into the jail where Smith was being held and killed both him and his brother. . .The Mormons abandoned Nauvoo in the spring of 1846 as anti-Mormons pounded the town with cannon, destroying the Great Temple. In a well-coordinated migration, 15,000 Mormons moved in stages to the Great Salt Lake.” Ayers, Gould, Oshinsky, and Soderlund (2004, p. 334-335) Many walked all the way and many died along the way, including innocent babes.

Joseph Smith at one time was tarred and feathered by a mob. No jury, no trial, no judge – and they had planned to castrate him, too. On October 27, 1838, the then governor of Missouri issued an “extermination order”: “The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary . . .” Far West History (n.d.) Please note that the order called for exterminating “Mormons” making no distinction between men, women and children, and indeed women and children were subject to the extermination order.

In an event known in LDS history as “the Haun’s Mill Massacre”, precipitated by the extermination order, 30 to 40 LDS families were surprised by some 200 to 250 militia. After the smoke cleared, seventeen LDS people lay dead including a ten-year-old boy. Thirteen LDS members were wounded including a woman and a seven-year-old boy. “A few Missourians returned the next day and took plunder.” LDS FAQ (n.d.) No Missouri militiamen were killed but three were wounded. Just a few years earlier, the LDS folk who died that day had been members of other churches - Congregational or Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian.

In l976, Governor Bond of Missouri officially rescinded the extermination order and presented apologies for the “unfortunate developments” it caused. Quoting from Governor Bond’s Executive Order: “WHEREAS, Governor Boggs’ order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and . . . Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering rescind Executive Order Number 44 dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs. . .” Far West History (n.d.) The individuals who harassed, abused, and even murdered Mormons in cold blood were never tried for their crimes.

I read Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Letter from Birmingham Jail and it really touched my heart. There he was, suffering for the Lord in jail, and these religious leaders with highfalutin titles on the outside wrote an open letter (“A Call for Unity”) in which they criticize King’s tactics and basically blame King for the racial turmoil of the time. Though you can tell King is upset and hurt by the attack – made worse because he’s stuck in jail and can’t confront the religious leaders face-to-face – his response is gentle genius. “I wish you had commended the Negro sit-inners and demonstrators of Birmingham for their sublime courage, their willingness to suffer, and their amazing discipline in the midst of great provocation. One day the South will recognize its real heroes.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 881)

King has a few choice words for the Church, too: “If today’s church does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authenticity, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century. Every day I meet young people whose disappointment with the church has turned into outright disgust.” Barnet and Bedau (2005, p. 880)

King signs off with “Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood”.

There’s an eerie commonality between what JFK and MLK endured at the hands of the religious bigots of their day and what Mitt Romney is facing today. I hope and pray that Romney will be able to fend off these undeserved attacks from the religious hypocrites with the same grace, dignity and God-inspired resolve displayed by the other two.

A few popular bumper stickers read: “Honk if you love Jesus” and “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven” or “Jesus is my co-pilot”. Yet, apparently, these same bumper-sticker Christians are the ones waging war against Mitt Romney’s run for the Presidency solely on the basis of his chosen faith in a Church that bears the name of the Savior of the world.

References

ABC News - 20/20 (2007). Philanthropic donations come from your heart, but where do they end up? Ex-money manager says "enough!" to secretive Christian Ministry spending. Glenn Ruppel & John Stossel. United States: ABC News.

Ayers, E. L., Gould, L. L., Oshinsky, D. M., & Soderlund, J. R. (2004). American Passages - a history of the United States - Volume I: to 1877 (2nd ed.). Belmont, California: Thomson/Wadsworth.

Barnet, S., & Bedau, H. (2005). Letter from Birmingham Jail. Current Issues and Enduring Questions - a guide to critical thinking and argument, with readings (7th ed., pp. 867-882). Boston and New York: Bedford/St. Martin's.

Far West History. (n.d.). The Extermination Order and how it was rescinded. Retrieved April 28, 2007, from http://www.jwha.info/mmff/exorder.htm

Hewitt, H. (2007). A Mormon in the White House? 10 things every American should know about Mitt Romney. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc.

John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum. (1960, September 12). Address of Senator John F. Kennedy to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://www.jfklibrary.org

Lds Faq. (n.d.). What was the Haun's Mill Massacre? Retrieved April 28-2007, 2004, from Brigham Young University Web Site: http://ldsfaq.byu.edu/view.asp?q=57

Media Matters for America. (2007). Fox News whitewashes evangelical hostility to Romney's faith. Retrieved April 22, 2007, from http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200702280002


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To: FastCoyote

OH please do let me try.

It will start like this:

There is a tree outside in my yard. I call it Jesus Christ. God created it, so indeed it is the Son of God, as are all of us, and all other trees.

Once, all of its evergreen branches turned brown and the needles dropped off. He was dead. But suddenly, three days later, new life sprung from the branches. My tree named Christ came back to life!

There are those who believe my cedar tree originated in the middle east. It is said to have appeared mystically in South America (or perhaps upstate New York) in about the year 33.A.D.

We have no proof that this occured, but there was this guy who wrote a book claiming it happened. He was a stoopid, uneducated hillbilly, but he said he gazed in a rock, and low and behold, he saw the history of my Christ tree, and he wrote it down word for word. The story was inscribed upon a kryptonite disc that the aliens took away. The language on it was said to be Mormonized Yiddish.

Now you must accept me as a valid candidate for POTUS, since I am a Christian. Right?


1,741 posted on 05/09/2007 8:31:27 PM PDT by colorcountry (It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true ~Dallin Oaks)
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To: tantiboh
Not that I’m aware of; but then, the LDS Church is unique in many ways. Still, it bears repeating that the LDS Church does not officially recognize the principle you describe as doctrine.

But you do agree that Joseph Smith (the Prophet) taught that, don't you?

And you do agree that the LDS Church has not repudiated that teaching, don't you?

And you also agree that the things that the LDS Church has taught you are entirely consistent with that "teaching" of Joseph Smith, don't you?

1,742 posted on 05/09/2007 8:31:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DelphiUser
So you are a descendent of John D Lee, and I am a descendent of Govoner Boggs, kind of gives us a weird link huh?

Wow, and now we're on opposite sides. Perhaps God is giving us a chance to rectify the wrongs of our ancestors. It's all playing out right here on FR.

1,743 posted on 05/09/2007 8:37:29 PM PDT by colorcountry (It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true ~Dallin Oaks)
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To: FastCoyote
The chaos that is this thread is as nothing to what ten years of a Romney presidency would become.

I think the chaos has already gotten to you. Please explain how he would be president of 10 years...

Unless you mean it would feel that way to you (grin)
1,744 posted on 05/09/2007 8:38:03 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; MHGinTN; Sherman Logan
FWIW, I am not interested in this DNA debate.

Thanks.

1,745 posted on 05/09/2007 8:38:11 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DelphiUser
The Jewish people do not assimilate people easily into their culture, so it stays genetically pure. As far as markers go.

Quite true, with the caveat that there have been periods in Hebrew history when they were a good deal more free about intermarrying with "strange women."

Christ, for instance, no doubt had a good deal of "foreign" in his legal (Joseph-side) ancestry, as the Judean kings often married into foreign royal families for diplomatic reasons. This did not, of course, directly affect his genetic ancestry through Mary, by whom he was descended from David through a different line.

David himself had a a foreign (Moabite) great-grandmother in Ruth.

The laws of war given to Jews allowed them to take captive (foreign) women as wives, with their children being full Jews.

It does not appear that the Jews got really persnickety about interbreeding until after their return from Exile in Babylon.

1,746 posted on 05/09/2007 8:43:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Colofornian
You are diminishing Abraham into not much More than a common man.

Do you believe that he was a prophet, if so why or why not... or just that he was a man who had billions of progeny because God blessed him? (Patriarch)

1,747 posted on 05/09/2007 8:45:44 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: DelphiUser
Please explain how he would be president of 10 years...

Shouldn't have asked!!

Acording to the Constitution, as amended, a vice-president who succeeds to the presidency on the death or disability of the president can serve up to half a term and still be eligible for election twice. If he succeeds one day before halfway through the term, he can only be elected in his own name once.

So if Romney was Newt's veep, and Newt kicked over two years and one day into his first term, or inded second term, Romeny could serve two years in succession and still be eligible to be elected President twice, which would total 10 years.

You would not believe how I happen to know that!

1,748 posted on 05/09/2007 8:50:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Oz
The case of the Lemba (the people in Southern Africa who claimed to be related to the Jews and were shown to be in fact related via genes) shows that DNA evidence can confirm Hebrew ancestry. The case of the inhabitants of the island of Madagascar (connecting them to very disatnt gene pool separated by thousands of miles of ocean) establishes that genetic studies can provide evidence of transoceanic voyages by ancient peoples - even when those people subsequently intermingled with other people of different lineages. [Important, because the poster claimed that the gene pool had been watered down since the imaginery migrating Israelites landed on the Americas.]

Studies of human populations on the island of Madagascar indicate a mixture of Indonesian genetic markers and East African markers. The Indonesian lineages have been traced to Borneo. This means that about 1500-2000 years ago, Indonesians traveled by boat 4000 miles across the Indian Ocean from Borneo to Madagascar.

[Source, if anyone would like to dig some http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/en/genome/genesandbody/hg07n010.html]

1,749 posted on 05/09/2007 8:52:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: P-Marlowe
I said”Yes, I believe That God was once a man and before time itself was started by him he “Became” God. “

How did he become a "man" before time began?

Why logically… you know where this goes and it’s a dead end. God does not say, but you can logic yourself in to an infinite regression trap if you want, but I tired of playing with regression games when I was 14. Been there, done that, got he Tshirt. You got anything else? ‘cause this is getting B O R I N G. You trying to set “Traps” that can be seen a mile away, me pointing them out and walking up and stealing the cheese anyway… B O R I N G

Was he a "man" on another planet who "became" God after going through a mortal test on an earth like ours? Gosh I think we may be moving towards some clarity here.

Yawn Have you ever studied the multiverse theory?

Now that’s infinite regression with something interesting about it.

Lets talk multiverse for a moment, (I hope you read the link, or already know waht the multiverse is) I have a theory that each universe is created by a God as he attains “God hood” and that each universe is a mathematical offset from the reality of his God, thus the Multiverse would look like a multidimensional tree with branches going in different dimensions and branches can overlap (being in different dimensions) with out obstructing each other this infinite possibility multiverse would allow for Gods to continue being created at an ever accelerating rate, yet theoretically never run out of dimensions and offsets for new Gods to create universes in.

You did want to know how Gods could endlessly replicate, and still be the “Creator", "God" and the "Lord of all" etc right?

I was a little bit of a math nut when I was 14 and had a formula for most of this worked out, then I lost interest, kind of like I am with this conversation.

You think you are being clever, trying to tie me into knots with Recursion, I think you are trying real hard to run into a corner and suffocate yourself.
1,750 posted on 05/09/2007 9:01:42 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: FastCoyote
I can tell you this, there will be an army of conservatives like me who actively campaign against Mitt. It will split the party just as assuredly as a Giulani candidacy. And all so you can slip your Trojan horse into a position of power.

If there was any evidence of this, you would have seen it in Mass.

1,751 posted on 05/09/2007 9:01:53 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: RECONRICK
There are no Hebrew markers at all. None, nada, zippo, zero, big fat goose egg.

And that my dear watson is exactly what you would expect, did you read, or just respond without reading.
1,752 posted on 05/09/2007 9:08:59 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
I think you are trying real hard to run into a corner and suffocate yourself.

Just looking for clarity. I think we've gotten a little tonight. Thanks.

1,753 posted on 05/09/2007 9:11:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: colorcountry
That’s not true seven, ask resty, ask MGHinTN. I have been pretty much hounded here, to leave the Church.

Hounded? How so? I took you to mean that staying in the Church was painful and that the Church wouldn't leave you alone. How is my (and others) pointing out the way to officially leave hounding?

1,754 posted on 05/09/2007 9:13:27 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: P-Marlowe

You’re asking the same questions over and over, PM. The only reason for that is if you’re trying to get me to give you a specific answer. If that is the case, I’m not here to oblige your desire.

I’ve answered your question, and I believe I did so clearly and forthrightly. I’m satisfied to leave it at that.

Best regards.


1,755 posted on 05/09/2007 9:14:05 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: FastCoyote
Prove it Saundra. Go ask for the idol atop your church spire to be replaced by a cross - put Jesus first. If you do that, I will believe you are unashamed of the Gospel. Until then I think it is obvious you serve Baal.

Why on earth would we want to have a murder implement used to kill someone we love around, I suppose if your mother was killed by a gun, you’d hang it from your neck with a gold chain.

That is how the cross is seen by some Mormons. You won’t see them on our buildings, it has nothing to do with Baal.
1,756 posted on 05/09/2007 9:16:31 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: RECONRICK
If the Israelites had mingled with Native Americans, there would be identifiable markers, as the Lemba discovery proved and the Madagascar discoveries proved even when intermingling is an issue. The way the Israelis make the connection is why there would be markers in Native Americans IF they had been mixed with Israelites. And you are corret, there is zip, nada, nothing to make the connection. But don't expect that to stop the Apologists from continuing to spin the matter. They desperately need the big Smith lie to be true.

BTW, the Israeli Genetics Society is meeting this July in Salt Lake City, around the 19th, I think.

1,757 posted on 05/09/2007 9:16:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“It does not appear that the Jews got really persnickety about interbreeding until after their return from Exile in Babylon.”

I’m not an expert in the topic; but if I recall, the practice of “marrying outside the covenant” was condemned since the Law of Moses was given. Such intermarriage was the root of the Samaritans, and the Jews disdained them for that very reason.


1,758 posted on 05/09/2007 9:17:12 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: colorcountry
You never made it clear until recently the status of your husband, (at least I didn't see it) wither or not he was active, or as anti as you. So, no, it was not clear as to the situation.
1,759 posted on 05/09/2007 9:18:16 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: tantiboh; DelphiUser
The only reason for that is if you’re trying to get me to give you a specific answer.

Just trying to get some clarity.

Can I put you down for a "yes" on all three of those questions? I'm not trying to dispute what you believe, I'm only trying to clarify exactly what it is that you do believe. It seems every time we get close to getting a straight answer from an LDS member on this issue, they accuse the other poster of trying to lay a trap and then they refuse to answer.

So, just to make it clear what you believe, can I put you down for a "yes" on those three questions?

1,760 posted on 05/09/2007 9:18:57 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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