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A great new government program (Oregon, other states--taxing cars per mile!!)
Townhall ^ | Rich Galen

Posted on 05/02/2007 5:41:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

An article in the Wall Street Journal last week points out what happens when public officials depend upon the continued bad behavior of Americans to fund their projects.

Under the headline: "Fuel-Efficient Cars Dent States' Road Budgets," reporter Robert Guy Matthews writes that drivers, answering the call to conserve energy, are driving cars which use less gas. Less gas used means less gas purchased. Less gas purchased means fewer tax dollars collected. Way fewer. According to Matthews: The Federal Highway Administration estimates that by 2009 the tax receipts that make up most of the federal highway trust fund will be $21 billion shy of what's needed just to maintain existing roads, much less build new roads or add capacity.

Trying to compensate for highway-budget shortfalls, a handful of states are exploring other, potentially more lucrative ways to raise highway money.

Other ways to raise highway money? That sounds modestly ominous.

Oregon, for instance, is looking at a system which combines a GPS receiver, an odometer, and a recording device. Object? To charge drivers a set price (maybe 1.2 cents) for each mile driven.

No benefits, apparently, for driving one of those hideous Prius hybrids - which alone makes me sort of in favor of this.

Vehicles in the Oregon test have the 24-cent-a-gallon state tax automatically deducted from their pump price and the 1.2 cents per mile fee since their last fill-up added.

If the average fuel-efficiency of passenger cars (according to the US Department of Transportation) in that year was 22.4 MPG then the average driver in Oregon bought 536 gallons of gas. Paying the 24 cents per gallon tax, that would have netted the state government $128.64 per vehicle.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: anwar; anwr; automobiles; bureaucracy; cellphones; energy; energyconservation; ezpass; fuel; gasolinetax; gasprices; governmentgreed; gps; hybrids; motorvehicles; oil; powergrab; taxation; taxes; transportation
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Two page editorial. What will they think of next?
1 posted on 05/02/2007 5:41:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: Salvation

Oregon Ping


2 posted on 05/02/2007 5:46:45 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It'd save me a whopping $2 a week going to this program. The idiots who like to make 14 trips to the store per week, well, I don't really have any sympathy for and they'd end up paying through the nose.

I don't see a problem here.
3 posted on 05/02/2007 5:47:48 PM PDT by TheZMan (That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they would repeal the state tax on gas and institute this per mile tax I would gladly welcome it just as soon as I could buy my Hummer.


4 posted on 05/02/2007 5:50:11 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: TheZMan

I think a possible problem is that drivers could end up eventually paying both the mileage tax as well as the per gallon gas tax. Governments may see a new tax as a way to raise more revenue, not simply shift to the mileage tax in place of a gas tax.


5 posted on 05/02/2007 5:50:56 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: TheZMan
It'd save me a whopping $2 a week going to this program. The idiots who like to make 14 trips to the store per week, well, I don't really have any sympathy for and they'd end up paying through the nose. I don't see a problem here.

Yeah this whole "Freedom" thing is over rated. I see no reason the Government elites shouldn't run our lives. After all they're just smarter!

6 posted on 05/02/2007 5:51:37 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: saganite

Oh no, this will be an ADDITIONAL TAX, don’t ya know?!! We never repeal a tax if we can help it! —your friendly local tax collectors


7 posted on 05/02/2007 5:51:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Nancy Pelosi: The Babbling Bolshevik Babushka from the City by the Bay.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Liberals think $3.00 a gallon for gas isn't high enough to deter motorists from excessive driving as defined by them. They now want to charge you extra for every mile you do drive.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 05/02/2007 5:52:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Vehicles in the Oregon test have the 24-cent-a-gallon state tax automatically deducted from their pump price and the 1.2 cents per mile fee since their last fill-up added.”


9 posted on 05/02/2007 5:53:25 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Ya think?


10 posted on 05/02/2007 5:53:57 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: goldstategop
Next they’ll be taxing offspring, “night soil” aka excrement (as the Chinese Emperors did), food, air and Lord knows what else!!
11 posted on 05/02/2007 5:55:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Nancy Pelosi: The Babbling Bolshevik Babushka from the City by the Bay.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well if Oregon goes for it, I'm sure Washington state will follow suit.

Latest idea by a Seattle city council member is to charge people to drive their cars into the city.

12 posted on 05/02/2007 5:58:41 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Vicki

Latest idea by a Seattle city council member is to charge people to drive their cars into the city.”

If I were a business owner in Seattle, I would move my business OUT of the city to a smaller town, where I would be appreciated.
Then my employees would not have to drive “INTO” the city.

There is hardly a business left in this country that cannot be moved. Steel mills are already gone.


13 posted on 05/02/2007 6:07:41 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People in Oregon need to be real careful with this one. A case in point when I lived there.......The state legislature wanted to bring in a sales tax. Oregonians said fine.....but a fixed tax and lower the property tax, which is some of the highest in the nation. The Oregon Legislature said no way. No sales tax.


14 posted on 05/02/2007 6:08:17 PM PDT by RC2
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To: RC2
If they wanted to bring in a sales tax... get rid of Oregon's state income tax. But Democrats just want to pile on more taxes. Even on the Left Coast, there's a limit to how far people are willing to have their pockets picked by an insatiable government.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 05/02/2007 6:12:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A very good reason to N-E-V-E-R go there even to visit!


16 posted on 05/02/2007 6:21:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; TheZMan
I think a possible problem is that drivers could end up eventually paying both the mileage tax as well as the per gallon gas tax.

“When a new source of taxation is found it never means, in practice, that an old source is abandoned. It merely means that the politicians have two ways of milking the taxpayer where they had only one before.” —H. L. Mencken

17 posted on 05/02/2007 6:23:48 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Calling illegal aliens undocumented workers is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: TheZMan
Oh, really? Can anyone say , um, ‘Invasion of privacy?’

Why doesn’t the Govt. put a little camera in the car so that they can detect other antisocial behavior?

Smoke a cigarette, 25 cent tax. Eat a big mac going down the road? 75 cent fat tax, $75 fine for unsafe driving?

Where will it end?

18 posted on 05/02/2007 6:30:12 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you raise the tax to infinity, you will get an infinite amount of money for the road fund.


19 posted on 05/02/2007 6:32:21 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: TheZMan
No problem?

How about going on vacation, say to another state. Pay their tax and pay for tax miles.
How about having a loved one living in Canada? You pay even when a person does their best by owning a car that gets 50 miles to the gallon.
One positive thing I see is Oregon has a law which requires new tax to be voted on. (hopefully this tax would apply) I hope the Oregonians are smart enough to see the trap this new tax will be.

20 posted on 05/02/2007 7:17:57 PM PDT by ConfidentConservative
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