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Man Dies of Thirst During Survival Test
AP ^ | 5-2-2007 | ED WHITE

Posted on 05/02/2007 3:45:25 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist

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To: John W
Shortly thereafter I had a bad feeling and turned to Dave and found no sign of breathing.”-

You would think these idiots might have some medical training to identify the signs heat exhaustion, besides "he's not breathing."

21 posted on 05/02/2007 4:02:54 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Types_with_Fist; Lijahsbubbe
He asked me to go get the water for him. I said I was not going to leave him.

How touching.

It was a survival course; somebody was bound to fail it eventually. Very sad. How many others have appeared in as bad a shape as this guy, yet made it through? Ugh.

22 posted on 05/02/2007 4:02:58 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Types_with_Fist
O’Neal didn’t inform Buschow about his emergency water.

“I wanted him to accomplish getting to the water and the cave for rest,” he wrote. “He asked me to go get the water for him. I said I was not going to leave him. … Shortly thereafter I had a bad feeling and turned to Dave and found no sign of breathing.”

In my book, this is negligent homicide.

The man asked for water a 100 yards away from the source.

I would think that if he could have gone another 100 yards to get it, he would have.

23 posted on 05/02/2007 4:03:21 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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To: Orange1998

Let me back up a bit before I get blasted by some one. Reports are he left the bar Saturday night after being offered a cab by the staff.

All signs would led a reasonable man to conclude that he was drunk.


24 posted on 05/02/2007 4:03:23 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: Types_with_Fist

Darwin Alert! Darwin Alert!


25 posted on 05/02/2007 4:05:10 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Warning. If your tagline is funny... I may steal it.)
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To: John W

So are the 6 people who continued on with the “course” after this participant’s death.


26 posted on 05/02/2007 4:06:01 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: PeteB570

Unlike this guy you are still alive to write about it, thank the Lord and your skills.....It sounds to me the leaders of this group did not know what they were doing....what say you ?


27 posted on 05/02/2007 4:06:30 PM PDT by Kimmers (Coram Deo)
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To: South40

LOL!!!!!


28 posted on 05/02/2007 4:09:15 PM PDT by TomServo ("Jim Henson's Flying Leatherneck Babies!")
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To: Doomonyou
You would think these idiots might have some medical training to identify the signs heat exhaustion, besides "he's not breathing."

Vomiting is a sure sign of heat stroke.

29 posted on 05/02/2007 4:09:28 PM PDT by needlenose_neely
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To: Cecily
If you are learning survival tips in a $3,000+ course, shouldn’t one of the tips be not to travel during the heat of the day when you are low on water and risk severe dehydration?

Another really useful tip would have been: If you find a stream and have a bottle, fill it. Surviving is more about using all of your resources than about being "tough".

30 posted on 05/02/2007 4:10:22 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: Orange1998
At this point it was criminal act.

Is not helping someone a criminal act now?

31 posted on 05/02/2007 4:11:41 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Perdogg
Let me back up a bit before I get blasted by some one. Reports are he left the bar Saturday night after being offered a cab by the staff.

All signs would led a reasonable man to conclude that he was drunk.

Great, he started out dehydrated from drinking.

Don't these dummies know that booze dehydrates body cells?

32 posted on 05/02/2007 4:11:48 PM PDT by needlenose_neely
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To: Centurion2000

Oh yeah, in some cases. Google “Good Samaritan Laws.”


33 posted on 05/02/2007 4:13:04 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Mark was here
I wonder if he was cremated.

Sounds like he evaporated.

34 posted on 05/02/2007 4:13:11 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Types_with_Fist

I keep re-reading this article and it just makes my heart sad, that supposedly competent people couldn’t or wouldn’t recognize some one in dire straights.

- DeTar...is trained in wilderness first aid
- O’Neal didn’t inform Buschow about his emergency water.
- Bernstein, the school’s owner...said instructors can
give water based on their assessment of a camper’s needs.

there has to be a civl suit in here somewhere...


35 posted on 05/02/2007 4:13:23 PM PDT by stylin19a (Bad golf shots come in groups of 3, a 4th bad shot is the start of the next group of 3.)
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To: needlenose_neely
Vomiting is a sure sign of heat stroke.

And these geniuses did nothing and let him die.

36 posted on 05/02/2007 4:15:21 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Cecily
If you are learning survival tips in a $3,000+ course, shouldn’t one of the tips be not to travel during the heat of the day when you are low on water and risk severe dehydration?

Makes sense to me. My son has been working on his wilderness survival merit badge. For each trip they were required to bring a certain amount of water.

37 posted on 05/02/2007 4:17:18 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: BearCub
Surviving is more about using all of your resources than about being "tough".

Bingo. And that's what the instructors should have been teaching...instead, it sounds like they got a rise out of tormenting their customers.

I'd say they deserve to be sued.

38 posted on 05/02/2007 4:20:41 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Doomonyou
Vomiting is a sure sign of heat stroke.

And these geniuses did nothing and let him die.

Obviously they are products of their environment. Stupidity breeds stupidity.

39 posted on 05/02/2007 4:22:34 PM PDT by needlenose_neely
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To: tubebender

Lots of athletic types get their heads handed to them coming here thinking they can out hike the old farts. It’s amazing what an elevation difference of a mile or more can do to a seaboard ego. Also, when you live on the coast, 90 degrees can be unbearable.

I would much rather spend a day in the desert at 6000 ft. and 100 degrees than an hour in Mobile at 90 degrees.

Actually, I’d rather spend a week in solitary confinement than an hour in Mobile.


40 posted on 05/02/2007 4:23:14 PM PDT by glock rocks (crazy mutant desert guy)
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