Posted on 04/27/2007 7:32:08 PM PDT by Simi Valley Tom
It will be included in my FR profile update this coming Summer.
I just read it real fast, and I thought I’d find trouble there, but I couldn’t. That was surprising.
Thanks for sharing.
I hope you aren't using this verse to say we as a nation should allow those without jobs starve.
Paul was addressing a specific situation within the church with this passage.
No one should be allowed to starve. The truely incapacitated and children need to be looked after.
The able bodied should work and not be taught that work is dishonorable.
Under the welfare state they are taught that it is dishonorable to work.
Tithes were intended to support the Government, and not some external religious establishment. You won’t see the truth of that, just like most.
In a secular system of Government, taxes are inevitably exploitatism, and inadequate for the regime, at any level.
I do not know you, but, if you want to talk about folks getting their knickers in a twist, I’d advise you to remove the mote from your own eye first.
Me, too. The Methodists are beyond repair.
The article is based on what God and the Bible says about the topic. Re-read the passages cited. They, and others not cited, refute your position.
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LOL. More misapplied copy and paste scriptures.
Spare me the hypocrisy.
Am I supposed to actually read the articles before I post out here? J/K.
Actually, I did, and now your post has me thinking that I missed something.
I’ll look at it again in the morning.
“13 million children in the United States go to bed hungry each and every day.”
And, I’m sure they richly deserve to do so.
See, the government is working better than we thought!
If you want to accuse me of hypocrisy then spell it out.
If you think that you can go head to head, or toe to toe with me on this stuff, then I invite you to bring it on.
You can’t, you won’t, and it don’t matter, because for me this particular day is just about over.
I’ll be around as much as I can, but bring your concordance with you if you really are interested in a knock down.
I submit, that you do not know a whole lot about what you are talking about when it comes to the Bible.
You can prove me wrong in due time.
I sort of like talking about these things, because I never cross swords with folks I agree with, or folks that I deem to be too dumb or ignorant.
You have all night (and perhaps longer, cuz I don’t live here) to get back at me now.
From Second Samuel Chapter 12 (NIV):
1 The LORD sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, "There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor.
2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle,
3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him.
4 "Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him."
5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, "As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this deserves to die!
6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity."
7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man!...
Would not this apply to rich congressman and senators who make themselves out to be generous...but use the money of those with less to do so?
Jorge... I see God telling me to do these things..I do not see where God is telling me to have the Goverment do it by force others to do it for me...
If we are truly a caring charitable people...
Those who are charitable do not need the government to help them give to the poor.
Those who would force another to be charitable are not demonstrating any charity themselves, anymore then who would not give if not forced. Thus does an enforced charity system has no charity in it.
Without love, no act of "charity" is worth anything to God. Huge bureaucracies like our government do not act in love.
Trust in God. Not in Government.
And a son. And a Holy Spirit.
But I was referring to His politics.
I know what you mean. The Presbyterian church I used to attend and one of the largest Methodist churches in my area both chartered busses to take members to the anti-war/Bush-bashing rally in DC a while back. The rally originated in the Episcopalian-run National Cathedral. The local Gannett paper ran an article the other week about how the major Protestant denominations in the area are suffering a major membership drain. Not a word was mentioned about how they’ve aligned themselves politically with the left, and how this might be contributing.
Excellent article!
Not only that. They are losing a lot of members because people start to learn the Bible and realize that their church is actively going against it. So, one must leave. The Methodist church that I left can't figure out why people only hang around there for a few years then head off to another church (believing church). I think it's obvious.
Those who are charitable do not need the government to help them give to the poor.
We ARE the government in this country. Or at least we're supposed to be.
But they ARE our resources, and as I said our tax $$$ are used for far lesser causes.
I just don't believe anyone who is willing to give their own resources to help the poor would object to the Govt using their tax $$$ to do the same.
Of course the is a limit, and I am not for communism using Govt to make everybody equal either.
Next time you're laid off you should refuse your unemployment check and just "Trust God".
The fact is God often uses Govt's as an agency of His authority.
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