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New Planet Discovered
http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn11710&feedId=astrobiology_rss20 ^

Posted on 04/24/2007 4:35:42 PM PDT by chessplayer

"For the first time, astronomers have spotted a cosy alien planet that might be hospitable to life. The planet is not much bigger than the Earth, and it enjoys balmy temperatures of about 20° C (68° F) as well as spectacular scarlet sunsets."

(Excerpt) Read more at space.newscientist.com ...


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KEYWORDS: gliese581; xplanets
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To: chessplayer
The smallest world circling Gliese 581 is a "Goldilocks" planet with the conditions just right for potential life.

Egad! We've gone from the "habitable zone" to the "Goldilocks" planet.
21 posted on 04/24/2007 5:01:01 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: chessplayer
It orbits its dim star every 13 days...

So I can expect to live to around the ripe old age of 2,106.

22 posted on 04/24/2007 5:02:08 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: chessplayer
This is over-hyped. The fact that the sun is a red dwarf almost certainly rules out life. Our sun has its radiation peak in the energy range where most chemical reactions take place. The radiation from a red dwarf falls mostly in the infrared. There's not enough energy in the infrared photons to carry out anything resembling photosynthesis. Liquid water is necessary but not sufficient for life resembling ours. Properly energetic photons from a star are also needed. These guys made an interesting discovery, but they've gotten carried away.
23 posted on 04/24/2007 5:03:34 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: chessplayer
Is it past Uranus?

Someone had to say it.
 

24 posted on 04/24/2007 5:04:19 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: ItsForTheChildren

“It orbits its dim star every 13 days...

So I can expect to live to around the ripe old age of 2,106.”

Cool...Now I don’t feel so old!


25 posted on 04/24/2007 5:05:21 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: taxesareforever
All enviromentalists and liberals please line up at Gate #1 for your flight to Eden.

"Would YOU buy that for a quarter?"

26 posted on 04/24/2007 5:06:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: JellyJam

Yeah, but she’ll weigh twice as much as she does here
(planet has 2x gravity of Earth supposedly)


27 posted on 04/24/2007 5:09:05 PM PDT by eartotheground (Rodham delinda est.)
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To: JoeFromSidney
I wouldn't swear that IR can't drive reactions. Yes it's not very likely, and life here hasn't figured it out, but I wouldn't completely rule it out. Dual photon absorption, maybe?

Besides life can run quite well on chemosynthesis even on earth.

28 posted on 04/24/2007 5:10:01 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: chessplayer

It’s planet P4C 970, DON’T GO THERE.


29 posted on 04/24/2007 5:10:15 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: taxesareforever

Please remember that we fired Pluto. :)


30 posted on 04/24/2007 5:10:43 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Hillary is, at this moment, discussing plans to send a tax bill to this planet via rocket.

Considering that the planet is 20.5 light years away, making the shortest round trip 41 years and a smidgen, the reign of Hillary will be over, along with Herself, well before before the "take" arrives. But of course her offspring will have ascended to the Presidency throne some years before upon the death of her Dam, and could easily still be ruling, so maybe Her Thighness would send that tax bill after all, along with a herd of armed Revenue Agents to collect it.

Never mind that it would be cheaper and produce more revenue to just go grab a few dozen nickle-iron asteroids, right here in our own solar system, Hillary needs new Subjects.

31 posted on 04/24/2007 5:11:40 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: JellyJam

She can’t go...since she admitted her a$$ is so/too big.

Semper Fi,


32 posted on 04/24/2007 5:16:58 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Living Free in NH
Keep an eye on it for evidence of global warming.

It's already warmer than earth, which is about 15 deg C, or 5 deg C (9 deg F) less than this planet, and it might be hotter yet, since they seem to have based their temperature calculations on a planet with no greenhouse effect, whereas many sorts of atmosphere's would result in a warmer average temperature. Earth is about 33 deg C / 60 deg F *warmer* than it would be without the greenhouse effect).

Al Gore must have used the place to deposit his Carbon Credits.

33 posted on 04/24/2007 5:18:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Maybe she can deliver it personally.With mike moore,barbs,boldwin,rosie and many more.
34 posted on 04/24/2007 5:19:01 PM PDT by QQQQ
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To: battlegearboat
New babies to adopt!

Very short and squat babies I would imagine, since the planet is 5 times as massive as earth, but with only about 1.5 times the radius it's surface gravity would be 5/(1.5^2) or about 2.2 times that of earth. Not a problem for development of life, but you'd be unlike to find any alien giraffes.

35 posted on 04/24/2007 5:21:54 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: KSCITYBOY
Let’s strip mine it and really piss off the libs.

At the bottom of that gravity well? And at that distance? You'd have to expecting to find diamonds or rubies or some such, just iron or coal wouldn't be worth it. Easier to get the iron from asteroids here in the good old Sol system.

But private industry mining the asteroids, and raising *everyone's* standard of living would PO them plenty I would imagine. They couldn't whine about "only one Earth", when all the heavy, nasty, dirty work was done way out yonder between Mars and Jupiter.

36 posted on 04/24/2007 5:26:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: chessplayer

1909 – Meeting of The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, quoted from the minutes of the meeting. “The trustees of the Foundation brought up a single question. If it is desirable to alter the life of a single people, is there any means more efficient than war…. They discussed this question…… for a year and came up with an answer: There are no known means more efficient than war, assuming the objective is altering the life of an entire people. That leads them to a question: How do we involve the United States in a war?

[Written by former U.S. Congressman Norman Dodd, testified that he was invited to study the minutes of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: Report from Iron Mountain, New York, Dell Pub., 1967].

Iron Mountain Report (1967), layed out the strategy to control people in addition to provoking wars, listed the following:

The report was not intended for public release but one of the members felt that it was too important to conceal and released a copy to Dial Press, which published it in 1967.
The report’s basic conclusion was that lasting peace was probably unattainable and even if it could be achieved, it would not be in the best interests of a stable society to achieve it.

This 108-page report is mind-boggling, Among its startling recommendations are the following:

Create environmental hoaxes to keep people worried about ecology.

Spend massive sums on space exploration programs.

Spend massive sums on arms-control inspection programs.

Create UFO scares of invasions by extraterrestrial enemies.

Encourage ``blood games’’ for ``social purification’’.

Please note that all of these recommendations have been implemented, which tends to confirm the authenticity of the report.”

All and more are in effect...............................

The following are word for word as substitutes for war. Note, rest assured that the claims by the government and author that the report was a hoax, is not considered true by many. If it were a hoax, then why are all of the recommendations in full effect and then “some”....

Substitutes for the Functions of War: Models

The following substitute institutions, among others, have been proposed for consideration as replacements for the nonmilitary functions of war. That they may not have been originally set forth for that purpose does not preclude or invalidate their possible application here.

1. Economic. a) A comprehensive social-welfare program, directed toward maximum improvement of general conditions of human life. b) A giant open-end space research program, aimed at unreachable targets. c) A permanent, ritualized, ultra-elaborate disarmament inspection system, and variants of such a system.

2. Political. a) An omnipresent, virtually omnipotent international police force. b) An established and recognized extraterrestrial menace. c) Massive global environmental pollution. d) Fictitious alternate enemies.

3. Sociological: Control function. a) Programs generally derived from the Peace Corps model. b) A modern, sophisticated form of slavery. Motivational function. a) Intensified environmental pollution. b) New religious or other mythologies. c) Socially oriented blood games. d) Combination forms.

4. Ecological. A comprehensive program of applied eugenics.

5. Cultural. No replacement institution offered. Scientific. The secondary requirements of the space research, social welfare, and/or eugenics programs.


37 posted on 04/24/2007 5:26:42 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: yankeedame
And let them figure out which way is Mecca

First star to the right. :)

The star/planets are pretty close, Sol should be naked eye visible from there and the constellations not much changed. Any good Arab or Persian goatherder should find the night sky fairly familiar, except for that strange, fairly bright, yellow star. That's the direction of Mecca.

38 posted on 04/24/2007 5:32:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: chessplayer

Wagons Ho!


39 posted on 04/24/2007 5:37:02 PM PDT by upchuck (A living, breathing example of the Peter Principle. Oh, forgetful, too :)
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To: null and void
I wouldn't swear that IR can't drive reactions. Yes it's not very likely, and life here hasn't figured it out, but I wouldn't completely rule it out. Dual photon absorption, maybe?

There is an article discussing just this topic, photosynthesis on planets of stars with different spectral output linked right next to this article.

For plants on alien worlds, it isn't easy being green

40 posted on 04/24/2007 5:41:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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