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A boy dies, and a gun debate is reignited
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | April 24, 2007 | Damian G. Guevara and Patrick O'Donnell

Posted on 04/24/2007 6:32:15 AM PDT by Fudd

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To: Kozak

I don’t have a problem with it, myself. =]


101 posted on 04/24/2007 4:50:18 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Fairview

Then I am doubly sorry then. Yee haw.


102 posted on 04/24/2007 5:34:15 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Fudd
Is there any reason the law-abiding citizen's life should be considered to be worth any less than the criminal's?

The criminal announced that he considered the value of the law abiding citizen's life (call that 'l') to be less than the value of the law-abiding citizen's money ('m'). I would say the value of the law-abiding citizen's life is at least equal to that of the criminal's ('c').

Basic algebra dictates that if m > l but l >= c, then m > c. It wasn't the law-abiding citizen who decided his money was worth more than the criminal's life. It was the criminal who made that determination. The law-abiding citizen was merely honoring it.

103 posted on 04/24/2007 6:43:42 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Fudd
The dead kid was a repeat offender, but the "hood" is turning on the guy who was defending himself:
Damon Wells and his home appear no longer safe.

The .40-caliber handgun that Wells carries legally for defense may not be enough to protect the 25-year-old man and his home in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood.

Sunday night, a day after Wells shot and killed a 15-year-old who threatened him with a gun on his porch, Wells' home was under siege. Police sent a car to guard it.

Now the doors on his house are boarded up; the windows, too.

No one appears to be home.

Outside Wells' home Tuesday night, a crowd of about 50 people gathered to mourn Arthur "Ace Boogie" Buford, whom Wells killed during the attempted robbery.

Vigil organizers called for young men to turn away from violence and from turning on each other. They called on those present not to be poisoned by rap music that promotes violence and not to support music companies that produce that music.

Near Wells' home, a utility pole has become a makeshift shrine where sympathizers are leaving stuffed animals, notes and balloons.

Most of those gathering there are teenagers, and they are angry, shocked and sad. They say that no matter what police and court officials say, Buford never did anything wrong.

They don't care that Cleveland prosecutors said the shooting appears to have happened in self-defense. They want justice.

Buford was on probation for robbery, said Lt. Thomas Stacho, police spokesman. He had robbed a couple of guys just five blocks away from Wells' house in August 2006.

Cleveland police are still looking for Buford's accomplice. Homicide detectives met with 4th District detectives on Tuesday to compare notes and look at similar robberies from the area in hopes of finding their suspect.

Police recovered surveillance camera tapes Tuesday from the Murtis H. Taylor Multi-Service Center on Kinsman Road. The building's cameras point toward Wells' house.

The video appears to have some value, Stacho said. There is nothing to contradict what Wells told police, Stacho said, but the video may contain information about what took place before and after the shooting.

The video quality is poor, but the tape will be enhanced, he said.

Police dealt with a similar case in 2004. Five youths tried to rob 59-year-old Bill Singleton outside his check-cashing business on Lake Shore Boulevard. He had recently obtained a concealed-weapon permit. He and Rhyan Ikner, 17, exchanged gunfire. Both died.

Even though Buford's accomplice didn't fire a shot, he could face murder or manslaughter charges because someone was killed as a result of his committing a felony.

Meanwhile, rumors are circulating among the teenagers. Several of Buford's friends, who declined to give their names, said Wells fired seven shots - the first few from his porch and then more after chasing Buford down the block. Stacho said Wells fired three shots.


104 posted on 04/25/2007 6:44:53 AM PDT by mak5
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To: Fudd
Damon Wells was defending his life from a thug who wanted to shoot him dead. The Left is defending the would be murderer. The shooting was justified. This is an open and shut case except liberals loathe law-abiding armed citizens defending themselves. In our society, the amount of stupidity and ignorance goes to show some people neither care about right and wrong - or the truth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

105 posted on 04/25/2007 9:01:36 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Walkingfeather
If Wells had been dead, liberals would have shed sob tears about horrible it was another victim of senseless gun violence died. The liberals can spare us their phony sympathy. Its better to be face their hate for defending yourself and being alive than be pitied for being senselessly murdered.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

106 posted on 04/25/2007 9:05:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Egon
A human being is a miniature world. Saving countless innocent lives is a mitzvah in my book. In the Torah, the word "murder" in Hebrew is in the plural because the murderer not only takes one life; he snuffs out all the descendants the victim might have had. To stop a would be murderer with lethal force is a righteous deed.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

107 posted on 04/25/2007 9:09:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: varyouga
You don't understand, my friend - you're eliminating a future Democrat voter - a felon. That is NOT permitted in the libs' world.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

108 posted on 04/25/2007 9:12:35 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Fudd
A very sad story. One I can sympathize with as the victim here is the survivor.

My incident had the same noises from the rest of the family. 'We will find you alone some night.'....'Your days are numbered.'....'We know where you live."
Those kind of threats. I knew the whole family was instigating it. They had made their threats against me in front of a lot of people. So I paid them a visit with a 12 ga. Didn't point it at anyone. Just told the people there, some of their friends and a lot of the family, that if they wanted to kill me, I was right there, right now. Let's finish it so I can back to my life or shut the hell up.

They backed off. I reminded them, that it was not my fault what had happened, and if I saw any of them anywhere near me, I wouldn't hesitate to put a hole in them, no warning, no discussion. Since they had already made the threat public and in front of too many witnesses, the local sherrif said I would be in the right.

109 posted on 04/25/2007 9:28:17 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Thompson '08)
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To: goldstategop
Saving countless innocent lives is a mitzvah in my book.

Kinda like the old saying: "You can count the apples in the tree, but not the trees in the apple."

110 posted on 04/26/2007 6:47:42 AM PDT by Egon ("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
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