Democrats Challenge Bush on Iraq Bill (Showdown!!)

AP ^ | Apr 23-2007 | DAVID ESPO

[Anti-Bubba182]

WASHINGTON (AP) - A historic veto showdown assured, Democratic leaders agreed Monday on legislation that requires the first U.S. combat troops to be withdrawn from Iraq by Oct. 1 with a goal of a complete pullout six months later.

"No more will Congress turn a blind eye to the Bush administration's incompetence and dishonesty," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a speech in which he accused the president of living in a state of denial about events in Iraq more than four years after the U.S.-led invasion.

Bush, confident of enough votes to sustain his veto, was unambiguous in his response. "I will strongly reject an artificial timetable (for) withdrawal and/or Washington politicians trying to tell those who wear the uniform how to do their job," he told reporters in the Oval Office as he met with his top Iraq commander, Gen. David Petraeus.

Taken together, the day's events marked the quickening of a confrontation that has been building since Democrats took control of Congress in January and promised to change policy in a war has claimed the lives of more than 3,200 U.S. troops.

Congressional negotiators for the House and Senate met in late afternoon and ratified the details of the legislation. Republicans voiced opposition, but made no attempt to delay or even seek changes. "We all know this bill is going nowhere fast," said Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., referring to the veto threat.

"Congress is preparing to deliver a message of surrender just as General Petraeus arrives in Washington this week to brief the commander in chief and members of Congress on the war," he added.

The bill includes more than $90 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the withdrawal timetable that Bush finds objectionable and billions of dollars in domestic spending that he also has threatened to veto. Overall, the bill totals $124.2 billion.

Democratic aides said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Reid hope to clear the measure through both houses by Friday and send it to Bush by early next week for his expected veto. The Democratic leaders have not said whether they will attempt to override the veto in what would be a largely symbolic act given the number of Republicans who have said they will back the president.

There is far less certainty about the next steps in the historic wartime confrontation between Congress and commander in chief. Reid and other Democrats have said repeatedly they will not leave the troops without the funds they need, but they have not said whether they will first force Bush to veto at least one more bill before sending him legislation he finds acceptable.

In his remarks, Reid criticized Bush and called Vice President Dick Cheney the president's "chief attack dog," lacking in credibility.

He likened the president to Lyndon Johnson, saying the former president ordered troop escalations in Vietnam in an attempt "to save his political legacy," only to watch U.S. casualties climb steadily.

Bush, he said, "is the only person who fails to face this war's reality - and that failure is devastating not just for Iraq's future, but for ours."

Reid had made similar comments at a White House meeting last week among Bush and top lawmakers, and the president dismissed the comparison with Johnson, according to several participants in the session. This time, Dana Perino, the president's spokeswoman fired back. She said it was Reid who was ignoring reality, not the president.

She said Reid is in denial about the vicious nature of the enemy and about the U.S.-led plan to provide more security in Iraq. "He's also in denial that a surrender date - he thinks it is a good idea. It is not a good idea. It is defeat. It is a death sentence for the millions of Iraqis who voted for a constitution, who voted for a government, who voted for a free and democratic society."

As outlined by Democratic officials, the emerging legislation would require the withdrawal of U.S. forces to begin by Oct. 1, even earlier if Bush cannot certify that the Iraqi government is making progress in disarming militias, reducing sectarian violence and forging political compromises.

Another provision in the measure would withhold about $850 million in foreign aid funds from the Iraqis if the government does not meet those standards.

Also, the Pentagon would be required to adhere to certain standards for the training and equipping of units sent to Iraq, and for their rest at home between deployments. Bush could waive the guidelines if necessary. Democrats assume he would, but want him on record as doing so.

Under the nonbinding timeline, all combat troops would be withdrawn by April 1, 2008.

After that date, U.S. forces would have a redefined and restricted mission of protecting U.S. personnel and facilities, engaging in counterterrorism activities against al-Qaida and other similar organizations and training and equipping Iraqi forces.

Democrats jettisoned some of the additional domestic spending that Bush has held up to ridicule, including funds for spinach growers and peanut farmers. But Reid, Pelosi and others decided to include money to help farmers hit by natural disasters as well as the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Reid's speech blended criticism of Bush, an appeal for patience to the anti-war voters who last fall gave Democrats control, and an attempt to shape the post-veto debate.

"I understand the restlessness that some feel. Many who voted for change in November anticipated dramatic and immediate results in January," he said.

"But like it or not, George W. Bush is still the commander in chief - and this is his war," Reid said.

Looking beyond Bush's expected veto, he said, "If the president disagrees, let him come to us with an alternative. Instead of sending us back to square one with a veto, some tough talk and nothing more, let him come to the table in the spirit of bipartisanship that Americans demand and deserve."

[elhombrelibre]

They’re determined to have Iraq turn into Cambodia.

[ElevenB]

There appears to be a potentially positive outcome to Harry Reid opening his mouth. The Appeal for Courage website has been adding between 10-30 signatures a day for the last couple weeks. I was checking today and they’ve added almost two hundred in the last 24 hours. I hope that SOB Reid sufficiently pissed off our troops so the ball gets rolling so fast that even the f-—in’ MSM can’t ignore it anymore,

[VA40]

This didn’t even make Breaking News on FR.

[Anti-Bubba182]

We can hope, But I am not sure that happens.

[avacado]

Democrats plan is to have Special Forces attack Ql Qeda in Iraq from bases in Kuwait and Jordan. Reid was on c-span today trying to explain it.

Un-frikin-beliveable! The clueless are now leading this nation. I guess this is the "conservatives" teaching us a lesson? I find no logic in this whole "teach" the Republicans a lesson. This ain't no frikin' game...

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

They will not get their way on this.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

Where is the President. Where is a Prime Time speech ? Why is he staying so quiet.

[Nick Danger]

Are we missing something?

This happens a lot. The press tries to help the Donks by rigging the poll questions to produce some desired result. The Donks then believe the rigged poll.

In this case, the press wants to promote the idea that the public is against the war, because the press is full of liberal antiwar Democrats who are themselves against the war. What the poll really says is that the public isn't too happy about the way the war is going. But Democrats — the ones in the press and the ones in elected office — believe this means the public wants to cut and run. No one outside the 'nutroots' has ever said such a thing, but that's what the Donks want to hear, so it becomes what they do hear.

I don't think we're missing anything. The Donks are re-confirming what everybody feared about them, which they had denied, which is that they are soft on defense and can't be trusted to defend the United States. They actually think Americans want to embrace self-inflicted defeat. McGovern thought that, too. He won Massachusetts and the District of Columbia... and nothing else.

My take is that the Donks are being used. The public is using them to scare the Iraqis into getting off the dime about learning to defend their own country. To scare them properly, there has to be a credible threat that we will pull out. But the public doesn't really want to pull out. What they really want is for the Iraqis to get their act together. Once they do, the Donks will have (a) served their purpose, and (b) disqualified themselves from the Presidency for another twenty years.

[jveritas]

One day we may remember him as similar to the 16th President who also fought a very unpopular war but was determined to win it so the nation will remain.

[pennboricua]

The new tone he came to Washington with is killing him and our nation, wish he would get a backbone and louder voice.

[decal]

“I still can’t figure out why the Dems have come to the conclusion this is a winning issue.
Are we missing something?”

It’s all theater: the Dems are just placating the Barking Moonbats (BM for short); they know this has zero chance of success.

I say, let ‘em keep trying; better they waste time on nonsense like this than finding something the President can agree on - THAT would hurt us all.

[bray]

Remember when Gingrich tried this stunt and PravdABDNC going nuts over granny not getting her SSI?? Bet we only see pressure on the WH from the Stone Age Press. The Surge is Working!

Pray for W and Our Troops

[ClaireSolt]

I wonder if Bush and Maliki shouldn’t embargo the press somehow, so they can get things settled down.

[goldstategop]

Let the cowardly p'tak go ahead. As Worf says in "Heart Of Glory", true warriors are bound by three things: duty, honor and loyalty. Of which the Democrat vermin know nothing.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[karnage]

They’ll just pretend the problem no longer exists. Until we are hit again - here, at home - and then they’ll blame Bush for gutting our readiness.

[Finalapproach29er]

I think the DOJ should investigate Sen. Reid for corruption.

He’s a sleazeball.

[Paladin2]

I think the DOJ should also investigate AG AG for not enforcing the immigration and border integrity laws.