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“You’re assuming rationality on the part of the base, a fact not in evidence. I do not underestimate Hillary or her machine. She’ll go after Obama and conservatives. (IMO)”

The average democrat isn’t a member of Moveon nor dailykos or DU. They remember it was the Clinton’s that caused the party to lose the House after more than four decades.

As for the ‘Clinton machine’....lets not get too carried away. The best the so called ‘machine’ could do was over a decade ago, gaining Bill Clinton 49 percent of the vote in a three candidate race featuring a unelectable to national office GOP candidate (Bob ‘its my turn, damnit!’ Dole).

You know my view on Hilary Clinton’s future better than most in this forum.

You have to admit, with each set of poll numbers, its looking more and more that I’ve been right about this one all along, contrary to the popular political ‘wisdom’.

I don’t know who the candidate for either party will be, but I know Hillary Clinton will not be one of them.

As for the ‘Clinton machine’....lets not get too carried away. The best the so called ‘machine’ could do was over a decade ago, gaining Bill Clinton 49 percent of the vote in a three candidate race featuring a unelectable to national office GOP candidate (Bob ‘its my turn, damnit!’ Dole).

A Green Party Gore could spell disaster for the Dems. It could pull enough votes away from the GOP that they could even elect Dole this time.

A Big-Business Country-Club Independent Bloomberg could spell disaster for the GOP if they don't nominate a BB-CC and go with a more conservative condidate. It could pull enough votes away from the GOP that the Dems could elect Dumbo -- the elephant or the clown from Illinois.

You've been consistent.

I think we'll all be amazed and disgusted at the depth to which politicing and media reporting will sink in '08. I've not been wrong over the past 10 years in thinking the worst of the Clintons or the left...only when I've thought, "They surely can't support him after that?!?"

Can she be beat, in the primary or the general? Sure. I don't see Obama is the guy to do it. He's never been in this kind of battle before, I'd bet.

Negative ratings have never been an issue for Hillary...she'll just raise the other guy's negatives more. She's a mud slinger and brawler by nature, pure appetite born of resentment and ambition. She's a child of the worst excesses of the '60s and '70s, radical to the core. She is, IMO, evil. She wants admiration and worship, but she'll settle for being feared, and for power...for now.

I think the left is primarily motivated by BDS. I think they aren't looking for a positive message. If they are, then I'm wrong and Obama is the nominee...but I don't think so.

You give the party more credit than I do. I'm up here in the People's Republic of King County, WA.