Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement

(From a thread) | Credit to Spiff for the chart and flashbunny for the grapics

[Jim Robinson]

Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).

The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	SupportsOpposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[genghis]

Rudy drove libs crazy when he was mayor. Welfare was cut, taxes were cut, unions lost power, property values skyrocketed, crime was cut- These things didn’t happen because Rudy is one of them, but because he is one of us and he is far and away our best chance of winning.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“Rudy Giuliani has repeatedly said that he will not seek to change current law as described in the Hyde Amendment, which prohibits federal funding of abortions except in cases involving rape or incest, or where the life of the mother is at stake. And, given the opportunity, a President Giuliani would appoint strict-constructionist judges who will follow in the philosophical footsteps of Justices Thomas, Alito, and Scalia, and Chief Justice Roberts.””

Yeah, and I am the son of a sea cook : )
Rudy is a POS!

[stephenjohnbanker]

: )

[Doofer]

[Anita1]

I’ve heard Fred Thompson is more of a moderate according to his voting record while Hunter is more of a true conservative - especially on illegal immigration and abortion issues.

Thompson voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work.

And - Voted to create a national registry containing names of U.S. workers who want to perform temporary or seasonal agricultural work, and to require the Attorney General to allow more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work under H-2A visas.

Reference: Bill S.2260 ; vote number 1998-233 on Jul 23, 1998

Voted YES on visas for skilled workers.

This bill expanded the Visa program for skilled workers.
Status: Bill Passed Y)78; N)20; NV)2

Reference: The American Competitiveness Act; Bill S. 1723 ; vote number 1998-141 on May 18, 1998

I’ve not really seen that much on him and that makes me wonder about Thompson - but - I’m sure that information will open up once he declares he is a candidate! You know the media digs up everything!

Ducan Hunter on other hand has this record:

He is strongly prolife.

He voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)

Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)

Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)

Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)

Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)

[Politicalmom]

Some of us don’t mark candidates off for supporting LEGAL immigration.

[Jim Robinson]

He’s a liar and you’re a fool (or a propagandist). Either way, you’ll be zot bait if you continue lying for Rudy the abortionist. Fair warning.

[af_vet_rr]

This is going to upset a few of RINO Rudy’s supporters around here, assuming they haven’t migrated to more liberal places on the internet....

[SWAMPSNIPER]

No, “positions” can change. Rudy has no core principles, other than do anything it takes to keep order. Rudy is a threat to American liberty. We are teetering on the edge of facism with Rudy, and socialism with the democrats, and I will resist either, hell does it make a difference to you?

[dragnet2]

It’s not idiocy when considering the realities facing us in 08.

It's time people pull their hands off their noses and take a big whiff of reality.

Surrendering conservative principles to fear is not an option.

[af_vet_rr]

His personal views should not be a barrier in allowing a liberal an easy walk into the WH.,

Giuliani in the White House is the same as a Hillary Clinton in the White House. A liberal is still a liberal, regardless of whether they have an "R" next to their name or not. We need to kick the RINOs like Rudy out of the GOP, because the GOP has been going to hell in a handbasket lately, what with all of the liberals running the show.

[Tinman]

I'm saving this thread just for that reply. 8-)

Classic.

Regards

[af_vet_rr]

Surrendering conservative principles to fear is not an option.

Amen. I've had several FReepers tell me that if I go off and support a Conservative third party candidate versus a liberal Republican, that I'm practically a traitor, and that I should just suck it up and "compromise".

The way I see it, if I compromise trade my Conservative beliefs for liberal ones, then I'm no better than any two-bit liberal.

[Lurker]

I bow deeply in your direction, sir.

I hope all is well with you and yours.

L

[Reagan Man]

Rudy Giuliani has supported abortion on demand his entire life. Now that he's running for POTUS, Rudy`s playing fast with his public remarks.

"I do respect a woman's right to choose ...." Giuliani said. "...I ask people to look at the entire record and understand that this comes from something that I've thought about very, very heavily."

~~~ Rudy Giuliani, Phone interview on Radio Iowa, Feb 14, 2007

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Archives of Rudolph W. Giuliani, 107th Mayor

Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. "Champions of Choice" Lunch

The Yale Club, Thursday, April 5th, 2001

"Thank you very much for inviting me to say a few words of welcome. This event shows that people of different political parties and different political thinking can unite in support of choice. In doing so, we are upholding a distinguished tradition that began in our city starting with the work of Margaret Sanger and the movement for reproductive freedom that began in the early decades of the 20th century."

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“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.

~~~ Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 _______________________________________________________________________

Giuliani also indicated he would have upheld President Clinton's veto of the partial-birth abortion ban.

"Yes. I said I then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it," he told the New York Times in November 1999.

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So, are we to believe Rudy from the 1990`s, Rudy in 2001, or the Rudy of today? Fact is, they're all one in the same. If you trust a liberal politico, you're a fool.

[BykrBayb]

I didn’t realize Rudy had a history of appointing conservative justices. How many did he appoint when he was mayor?

[jedward]

And there ‘tis...

[Mojave]

If he is serious about strict constructionists on the supreme court

Giuliani praised Ruth Bader Ginsburg as a model of what Supreme Court justices should be like. As mayor of New York, he overwhelmingly appointed liberals as judges.

Why should we believe in his purported change of heart now?

[Tinman]

Not really, amigo.

Just pinged you on another thread with the details.

Got to get back to work.

Later

[Spiff]

Um...Jim...the admin mods are going to ban you for spamming. Is that what you want? Come to your senses man, before it is too late... < /s >