Posted on 04/20/2007 11:58:21 PM PDT by the scotsman
A survivor of the Virginia Tech massacre has been describing how a colleague died to protect others. Although badly injured, graduate student Waleed Shalaan distracted gunman Cho Seung-Hui to save another person from his bullets.
Waleed saved another student's life.The surviving student, who wishes to remain anonymous, told of Waleed's heroics through an email to his supervisor.
He describes how he was left uninjured after Cho's initial round of shots.
Meanwhile, Waleed had been wounded but was still alive.
However, when Cho later returned to the classroom to inspect for signs of life among his victims, the surviving student struggled to remain calm.
He believes he would have been shot dead were it not for Waleed's "protective movement" that distracted the gunman.
Cho turned and shot Waleed for a second time, killing him, before leaving the classroom.
Randy Dymond, a civil engineering professor, has said the student asked to him to tell the tale "so that the family of Waleed understands the sacrifice."
Shaalan's mother broke down when she heard Mr Dymond's account.
"He was trying to save someone else," she said repeatedly.
Dymond said Shaalan's body was taken to a Blacksburg mosque so classmates, teachers and friends could say goodbye before he was sent to Egypt for burial.'
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Is your retarded cousing embarrassed at his pee pee? (post 265) Of course it is not embarrassing. Embarrassment requires a cognitive and moral level that we are “lacking” something, whether it be civility, moral self-awareness, love, or just basic decency.
You said — “So it boils down to YOUR belief that it could not have possibly REALLY happened that way, and you create the yarn to fit your concept of what must be real.”
The clincher is — as I was saying — the fact that if the shooter was going after the “feigning-death student” — and all of a sudden Waleed waved his hand, the shooter would have shot Waleed and then shot the feigning student.
Since this did not happen, that shows the shooter was not going after the uninjured student.
The rest of it is simply using the facts as presented and piecing it together with that *fact* that the shooter did not shoot the uninjured student. And that, alone (not shooting him) is powerful evidence.
[it goes like this, head for the uninjured student, get ready to shoot, see Waleed, bang!, turn to uninjured student — bang! bang! — both dead — walk off]
Regards,
Star Traveler
“A” says he could see Waleed, and saw him get shot, so we know he had a sight-line for that, but there is no indication that he could see the shooter or vice-versa.
You say that “A” could misinterpret the “flopping around” as a protective movement - why then could the shooter not have misinterpreted a protective movement as a flopping around ?
You said — “Why is it that some freepers seem to be obsessed with the idea that if you actually love men who are unbelievers that you must somehow be shading the doctrine of sin and judgment?”
I wasn’t talking about not loving men who were unbelievers — because not loving them would be to tell them *nothing* of Jesus Christ. Loving them would be to tell them that they’re going straight to hell because of their sin and that theire false and evil religion won’t save them. However, Jesus Christ will.
Furthermore, if there is any obsession I see here, it’s by you. It would be the “glee” you have at seeing a Muslim die saving someone else. And like I said, I hope that never happens, because your glee is simplly glee at seeing them go straaight to hell.
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You then said — “You have such a twisted and unbiblical view of men in their sin (and correspondingly men in a state of grace).”
Here’s all you need to know about sin and salvation — nothing more. It’s real, real simple. Without Jesus Christ — straight to hell; with Jesus Christ — with Him forevermore.
Nothing twisted about that. Those are the facts.
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You also said — “... and wishing that since he did die and go to face his judge, that he left this world reflecting as much of the image of God as is possible for him to do?”
A *totally useless gesture*. You might as well wish that the serial murderer gave his victim a nice last meal and let them watch their favorite TV program before he slashed her throat and cut her up into pieces — so she would “feel better” about her inevitable murder...”
Totally useless and meaningless...
It would pay for the world to realize that these “gestures” are *useless* for the one who died. They mean *absolutely nothing* for them and for the “image of God.” That’s not the image of God, that’s a “portrayal” for the image of Satan in this world.
That’s nothing but namby-pamby “mouthwash” that you *spit out of your mouth* when you’re done. It’s worth nothing afterwards but spit!
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Finally — “I HATED prim, smug, self righteous “Christians” who looked down their religious noses at me and my hell raising drug taking wild ass ways.”
Well, apparently a perception from the “other side of the fence” which is repelled by the picture (which is presented) of a righteous and holy God. That’s not surprising since the Bible says that Christians will be hated. Nothing new there.
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And as far as salvation, the following applies —
Acts 4:8-12
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel:
9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well,
10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
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Romans 10:9-10
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
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Revelaton 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Regards,
Star Traveler
My point wasn’t about numbers. My point was that even in Muslim strongholds, Christianity can reach its mark. And ANY Christians, be they in Lebanon, or China, should not be forgotten. We should remember to do what we can to assist them.
Well then your reading comprehension skills are seriously wanting. Here's a hint: Read the first sentence of my post #269 over again. .....and then again, just to be sure.
I just wanted to say I totally agree with what you posted. I’m kinda stunned by the amount of hatred on this board, and I don’t think this reflects how normal people would react.
Just wanted you to know I think you’re absolutely correct and a lot of people who are not blinded by hatred would also concur.
“IIRC, the MSM buried any mention of her religion.’
I can’t believe that you think the story was buried. It was one of the major stories of the Columbine shooting. There were several of the students that were members of a Christian Youth Group, and I occaisionally still see a story about some of them giving talks and lectures on Christianity and the Columbine tragedy. I think you need to work on your memory.
You said — “Where did “A” say that he was coming after me to the exclusion of looking for any signs of life ?”
A first look at what you said, will “put the lie” to the whole story.
Let’s say (for the sake of argument, like you say) that the shooter was *not* coming after the uninjured student at all (or that he did not spot anything “alive” in the uninjured student) — therefore assuming you are right — he was not after the uninjured student, after all.
So, if that’s the case, the shooter is not coming after the uninjured student — there is **no life to save** — because he wasn’t going to kill the uninjured student in the first place.
I mean, how can you “save a life” that was never going to be taken in the first place. Like you said, why even say that the shooter was after the uninjured student. Nope, he wasn’t — no life to be saved — it’s “all made up” and not true.
Waleed could have done nothing, could have danced a jig, could have been totally dead — and it would not have made a bit of difference for that uninjured student. The shooter was never after him in the first place.
The other side (of this scenario), is that he *was* coming after the uninjured student and Waleed did distract him for that moment — so he shot Waleed. And then he turns — shoots the uninjured student and *kills him* — because that’s what he was after in the first place.
SO..., *EITHER* the shooter was after the uninjured student — or — he was not after the uninjued student.
If he was *not* — there was no life to save.
If he *was* — he would have shot him.
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And then you say — “A” says he could see Waleed, and saw him get shot, so we know he had a sight-line for that, but there is no indication that he could see the shooter or vice-versa.”
I see nothing in the story that gives “sight-line” — nothing at all. He could have merely surmised these things by seeing part of something, under his arm, with his head covered to shield his eyes. Since he was *right next to* Waleed, any indication of open eyes would be *instant death*. Anyone who is about to get shot would *know* that — without one word explaining it to you. So, he would have seen very little of anything. He could have heard everything and he could have felt movement, though. Those would have had to be “interpreted” as to what they meant.
So, again, the information given to us is that he was right beside him. As I said — I took the facts that were given. He was right next to him. And so, if he could see him, a little (under an arm with shielded eyes), he had to also *not* be seen “looking” by the killer, because the killer was coming back (two times) to look for people who were alive and killing them. That’s what the story has indicated to us. The story tells us that this is what the killer was doing. And, we’re accepting the surface facts of the story.
Check the story and you’ll see (assuming that they are not *lying through their teeth*, which they could be) —
“The student that narrates the story was not shot but pretended to be dead and lay on the ground beside Waleed who at that time was only injured. The murderer then re-entered the classroom and was checking for alive victims.” [Muslim students web page]
Secondly, we see that the shooter was looking for people alive — *two times* —
“Mr. Shaalan was badly wounded and lay beside the other student, who was not shot but played dead, as the gunman returned two times searching for signs of life.” [New York Times]
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You said — “You say that “A” could misinterpret the “flopping around” as a protective movement - why then could the shooter not have misinterpreted a protective movement as a flopping around ?”
The shooter doesn’t care if he’s “flopping” or if Waleed is trying to protect himself. Why? Very simply because either action means that Waleed is alive and the goal of the killer is to make sure he’s dead (again, according to the story we’re given). Both actions mean the same thing to the killer — “he’s alive — shoot him dead!”
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Now, as I said — if the killer is *not* going for the uninjured student — Waleed *did absolutely nothing* to save him. The killer was not going for him in the first place. Nothing to save.
BUT — if the killer was going for the uninjured student and Waleed intervened or “flopped” — the killer simply goes - bang! (to Waleed) and bang! bang! bang! (to the injured student; three times, because the reports said that all victims had at least three shots in them).
So, the fact that the uninjured student is alive and *not shot* — shows that the shooter was never going for him in the first place and there was *no life to save* by Waleed.
Regards,
Star Traveler
“By unverified accident Waleed (may) have unintentionally
saved a life.”
You weren’t there, so you don’t know what happened, and neither does anyone else on FR. All this speculation is worthless. It might have been intentional, or not. Maybe he didn’t move at all.
I would like to point out that there are probably many acts of heroism that occur which are never known or never recognized. Just because all heros never recieve their 15 minutes of fame, doesn’t mean that they aren’t heros. Just because no one sees it doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen.
I do believe that God sees everything, and we will all be judged on everything that we do, not just the things that people see, or that we are recognized for.
I guess for some people, some good stories coming out of this awful tragedy give comfort. I am sure Waleed’s mother felt a tremendous sense of comfort from this story. That is a good thing.
I agree..
I was just pointing out that many Christians in ther Middle East are the descendents of people who were saved in Biblical times rather than convert recently. St Mark is supposed to have gone to Egypt..
However both Moslems and non-Moslems are being born again in those countries. The new converts face great danger, and the missionaries do too...
The MSM does not publish all the atrocities against Christians who live in the Middle Eastern countries just because they are Christians...
As religious refugees Christians from those countries should be welcomed into America in the 10,000s....
“who wishes to remain anonymous?”
Why on earth why?
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Good point....if someone saved my life I think I’d get out there in front of the cameras and do whatever I could to make sure they got credit....plenty of credit.
Why would “anonymous” cringe and hide in the closet....the ungrateful louse.
Can’t argue with that.
You are an idiot!
You said — “You weren’t there, so you don’t know what happened, and neither does anyone else on FR”
By the facts presented, and presuming that they are telling the truth — you can determine that there was no life saved, because the killer was not going after the uninjured student.
Take a look at the post #391 in the first (top) section of the post. This shows that if the shooter was after the uninjured student, he would be dead now. The fact that he’s not dead now, shows that this uninjured student was never in danger (because he feigned being dead good enough...).
Hence, no life to be saved...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I am going to call BS on this story unless I hear/see real proof
I don’t understand why you are so convinced that all muslims believe exactly the same thing. There are different interpretations of the Koran just as there are different interpretations of the Bible. There are many good muslims that are apalled at what the extremists are doing to their religion.
If you are a Christian, how do you feel about being judged on all other Christian interpretations of the Bible. Should I assume you support gay marriage? I read a Christian interpretation of the Bible, from a major Christian religion that says that Jesus never condemed homosexuality. I must assume you believe the same.
I agree.
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