I don’t understand why you are so convinced that all muslims believe exactly the same thing. There are different interpretations of the Koran just as there are different interpretations of the Bible. There are many good muslims that are apalled at what the extremists are doing to their religion.
If you are a Christian, how do you feel about being judged on all other Christian interpretations of the Bible. Should I assume you support gay marriage? I read a Christian interpretation of the Bible, from a major Christian religion that says that Jesus never condemed homosexuality. I must assume you believe the same.
You said — “I don’t understand why you are so convinced that all muslims believe exactly the same thing. There are different interpretations of the Koran just as there are different interpretations of the Bible. There are many good muslims that are apalled at what the extremists are doing to their religion.”
It really doesn’t matter what all Muslims believe. The Muslims populace does not form the “foundation” and the “framework” of the Islamic faith. It’s the foundational religioius documents that do. That would be the Koran and the Hadith. These documents are what forms “Islam” and not what some guy says that may or may not believe it all. So, you look to the foundational documents and you see what they say and mean. That’s how you know what the Islamic religion is all about.
All you can say about a Muslim that doesn’t believe (just for an example) that the Prophet Mohammed is the last Prophet and is the greatest — is that they are basically not a Muslim, in spite of the fact that they may say they are. They may pretend to be, but they aren’t. So what you have is a fundamental document and the *basis* for being a Muslim. This is what *describes* what Islam is all about. Therefore it’s not the “Muslim on the street” that describes it for me, it’s the foundational documents that describe it for me.
IN FACT — there is *very good reason* for disbelieving what the “Muslim on the street” says — because in Islam there is the principle of Takkiya, which means that you “lie through your teeth” to the infidel in order to protect the Islamic faith. You say whatever you have to, in order to shield yourself or the religion from danger or attack or whatever like that.
Therefore, because of “Takkiya” if you press the issue on certain things and if the Muslim feels either threatened (in his faith and belief) he can lie through his teeth to you and not allow you to know certain things. That’s basically what CAIR is all about. CAIR is *institutionalized Takkiya* here in the United States, directed at the American public for the purpose of “lying through their teeth” and straight to your face, until such a time as they can “kill the infidel”.
Also, in combination with Takkiya is the principle of “abrogation” in the Koran. That means that the newer sections of the Koran and what the Prophet Mohammed said are correct, while the older parts are “abrogated” — of no effect any longer. Thus, when people (and some Muslims) talk about “peace” and how Islam is a “religion of peace” — they are practicing Takkiya on you — because they very well know about the abrogated verses of the Koran. The peaceful verses (in the beginning parts) have been abrogated by the “kill the infidel” parts later on. And these “go to war” and “kill, kill, kill” and “take by the sword” are in effect now. Anything “peaceful” has been abrogated, by *their own principles*.
So, when you hear a Muslim telling you about the peace-loving nature of Islam, you can be sure they know about the principle of abrogation and that they are practicing Takkiya upon you. And you know what — so many Americans are such *fools* that they actually believe them. What a bunch of morons!
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And then you said— “If you are a Christian, how do you feel about being judged on all other Christian interpretations of the Bible. Should I assume you support gay marriage? I read a Christian interpretation of the Bible, from a major Christian religion that says that Jesus never condemed homosexuality. I must assume you believe the same.”
I will be judged on the basis of what the Bible says — but — I won’t be judged on the basis of what the “Christian on the street” says. In that fact, I draw great comfort.
AND — I also encourage *everyone* to judge all on the basis of God’s word — and never allow anyone else (Christian or no Christian) go against what God’s Word says, itself. Of course, that takes *knowing* God’s word in the first place to be able to do that, but, that’s what studying is all about, isn’t it.
So, since we establish the principle that we judge on the basis of the foundational documents of the faith (either Islam or Christianity) — let’s take a “gander” over to the Bible and see what *it* says about that other question of yours....
I’m going to quote a significant section so that it will be seen totally in context and will be *unmistakeable* in being understood.
Romans 1:16-32
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
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Well, I hope that doesn’t *need* some “commentary” by me and that it’s plain enough by itself...
Regards,
Star Traveler
One major difference between Christianity and Islam (not a religion IMO) is that Muslims are commanded in their “holy book” to lie....in order to undermine their perceived enemy. Lying to the “infidel” is ingrained at an early age.