Move on from abortion? Not on your life!

vanity | April 20, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

I hate to say it again, but guess it has to be said:

Free Republic is a conservative site.

As a conservative site, we are pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, pro-America.

Like-minded folks know immediately what this means and why we will never "move on from abortion" as Rudy Giuliani and his supporters ask us to do.

Think about it.

You might as well be asking us to deny God. To deny the Creator that gave us life and liberty. To give up our children. To surrender our country to the left. To give up our freedom. To give up our faith and our belief in God's Word.

Why insult us like this?

IMHO, the root difference between conservatism and liberalism IS our belief in God. For the most part, we conservatives defend our Christian/Judeo founding and our God-centered traditional American society and family values system, and the belief that our most fundamental rights were bestowed upon us by our Creator. Rights given by man can be taken by man. Rights bestowed by God are unalienable rights.

Liberals, on the other hand, especially the Marxist/socialist liberal leadership and the big leftist feminist, homosexualist, abortionist, anti-religion organizations deny God exists. They deny our Christian/Judeo heritage, work overtime to destroy our traditional family values, and seek to destroy our freedoms, including, and especially our right to the free exercise of religion.

Our deeply rooted conservative belief in God and refusal to roll over for feminism, abortionism, homosexualism, socialism, etc., is the only thing stopping the left from completely overwhelming us with their godless, socialist perversions and completely wiping out our traditional Christian/Judeo God-centered free society.

If we cave-in to the left by nominating a supporter of abortion rights, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc., as our candidate for the presidency and de facto leader of the Republican party, then we will have destroyed our own pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty movement and will have destroyed all of our prior pro-life, pro family, pro-liberty work. The Republican party will have made itself a joke. It'll be left standing for nothing. Worse, it'll be left standing with NARAL, NOW, the ACLU, and every other feminist/homosexualist Marxist/socialist communist group.

Surrender to the abortionists? Not on your life!

This is Free Republic. We ARE the dissent! We fight for life and liberty! We fight for our traditional American family values! We proudly and diligently defend our Christian/Judeo heritage, our country, our constitution, and our right to be free and to freely worship our God!

IMHO, those of you who cannot or will not understand these simple truths will never understand what FR is all about, what the pro-life movement is all about, what conservatism is all about, or even what freedom is all about.

[mkjessup]

But to demand that a conservative religious morality be basis of American law is not conservative in a political sense. And it is definitely not conservative in an American sense.

Who is demanding that?

By the way, quite the laundry list of misdeeds and moral failings of the likes of Franklin, Morris, Hamilton, Madison, Adams and Washington. For a moment I thought I was reading the latest press release from Howard Dean over at the DNC, you know: always accusing, always the critic.

Fortunately for our Republic, Almighty God chose to use those individuals in furtherance of His Will, and the establishment of the American Republic was clearly part of that Will. Our willingness or refusal to do that which is spelled out in Chronicles 7:14 ["If My people, which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."] will determine if this Republic will survive or not.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I feel i have science on my side here. The law is not the palce to debate fine points of metaphysics, so we need to go to science and science says a human is a human from conception.

I agree with you to a point on that. If I were an atheist, I would be pro-life.

[trisham]

I love you.

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LOL! You are sweet. :)

[Celtjew Libertarian]

***I’m pretty sure the same words were there when I signed up in 1998 and were there when you signed up in 2000. I don’t think the site has changed, nor has Jim Rob, nor have socons for the most part. Perhaps it is your perpsective that has changed.

You have a point. I acknowledge that I've reversed the normal -- or, at least stereotyped -- process and actually become more culturally relaxed, since I married and, particularly, since I became a parent.

That said, the atmosphere in the GOP and conservative movement have changed. In 2000, Clinton had been President for 8 year and Gore was on the verge of taking that office. There was more of a "We're all in this together" vibe.

Six-plus years into Bush's term of office and the divisions that were plastered over in common cause more than beginning to show. Everyone has certain issues that they think should be put first and that the other guys' issues should be the ones compromised on. And that's just where there's general agreement.

Where there is disagreement -- as there is between religious conservatism and leave-people-alone conservatism, what starts as a crack can become a schism. The plaster hiding the differences can only stretch so far, before cracks show.

It's the natural course of all political movements, I guess. So maybe it's not a matter of either the site or my perceptions changing, as much as politics in general have changed.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Fortunately for our Republic, Almighty God chose to use those individuals in furtherance of His Will, and the establishment of the American Republic was clearly part of that Will. Our willingness or refusal to do that which is spelled out in Chronicles 7:14 ["If My people, which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."] will determine if this Republic will survive or not.

I agree with you that there seems to have been some divine providence behind the creation of this nation -- certainly in the way that such different geniuses could be brought together in one time and place.

However, the men who put it together were not universally men who "turned from wicked ways" -- at least not as modern religious conservatism would define "wicked ways." For that matter, in Second Chronicles 7:14, God was responding to Solomon, another divinely-guided rulers who seemed far from perfect morality.

(For that matter, it's an open question as to whether that passage in the Bible refers to nations in general or only the kingdom Solomon ruled.)

[trisham]

However, the men who put it together were not universally men who "turned from wicked ways" -- at least not as modern religious conservatism would define "wicked ways." For that matter, in Second Chronicles 7:14, God was responding to Solomon, another divinely-guided rulers who seemed far from perfect morality.

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This is not surprising. Although we may all strive for perfection, we are human.

[ExGeeEye]

(For that matter, it's an open question as to whether that passage in the Bible refers to nations in general or only the kingdom Solomon ruled.)

I don't think it refers to a nation at all.

If it referred to Solomon's Kingdom, it should read "If My people, which are called by their ancestor Israel's name..."

I think it refers to the People of God; we Christians tend to appropriate Him, and we think with good reason, knowing that taking His Name in vain is a grievous wrong.

I think any nation, comprised largely of the People of God, who themselves "humble themselves, and pray, and seek [His] face, and turn from their wicked ways," will enjoy the blessings of the remainder of the verse.

As the righteous few suffer the temporal judgements laid upon the unjust many, while waiting the blessings of eternity, so also the unjust few enjoy the temporal blessings poured upon the righteous many while waiting eternal destruction.

[Neoliberalnot]

Excellent post. The opposition knows that as long as Christianity survives, the individual survives and has value, and will ultimately refuse and reject the will of the rulers of the collective. The opposition believes that individuals should worship them and their often idiotic and disgusting beliefs.

[wereatwar]

Thank you, and may God bless you for these clear words on true conservatism, Jim Robinson!!!

Pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-liberty, pro-defense and pro-America - I pray for a country where these values won’t be sacrificed for political issues and where everybody is aware that this has been, is, and ever will be a nation united in Christ. Conservatives should take a clear stance and should be willing to fight for that and what it stands for.
There is no compromising. Reject God's laws and you reject God. If you reject God, you should be careful calling yourself Christian, a patriot or even American.
I stand with the elder George Bush who once said "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

The ultimate liberal-marxist nightmare in a nutshell. Amen to that!

[George W. Bush]

A great vanity. I'm so glad we're not going to follow the liberal crowd. For many of us, pro-choice is not an option. We'd stop voting before we voted for anti-life and anti-family candidates.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. - II Corinthian 6:17

[George W. Bush]

But, what he genuinely switches on abortion, as Gore and Lieberman did in order to get on the ticket?

He's had five years out of office to do it, never changing his pro-abortion positions as you would expect from any other NARAL Champion Of Choice^TM. Any flipflop by Rudy now is pure opportunism.

[trisham]

Indeed.

4 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; wisdom and instruction fools despise.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

As the righteous few suffer the temporal judgements laid upon the unjust many, while waiting the blessings of eternity, so also the unjust few enjoy the temporal blessings poured upon the righteous many while waiting eternal destruction.

There is a huge area between those two, however, in which I think the U.S. has always fallen. To borrow Hamilton's phrase with regard to a potential wife, we are a nation that loves God and hates a saint.

That is how we were created. Our strength fails when we adore saints, as much as it fails when we stop loving God.

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

BTTT Jim and thank you for all you do!!!!!

[George W. Bush]

Having read this great vanity again, I just had to finally break out my moldy cobwebbed wallet and donate $50 to FreeRepublic. Jim broke my cheapskate ways with this great piece.

I realized that if I want a conservative forum, I'd better pony up for it. It seems to me that in the pre-primary season, liberal candidates really don't have a place here at FR. If they can win the primary despite conservative opposition, well, maybe Jim and the rest of us have to reconsider. But why pick any liberal RINO candidate when you can choose from conservatives in the primaries? Supporting conservatives while exposing liberals in the Donkey Party and the media is still the real mission of FreeRepublic, just as it has been from Day One.

I could vote for a McStain or any other broadly conservative candidate. I could probably vote for Romney. But I do not and will not vote for any NARAL candidates or sodomy marriage candidates. Ever. And I probably won't vote for any candidate whose personal life is so tawdry as to make even the Xlintons look like morally-upstanding citizens. So I'd like to challenge those of you with moth-eaten wallets (and purses) who, like me, haven't donated in the last few years to do so. Today.

FreeRepublic.com: still home to the Party Of Reagan.
Let's keep it that way!

[EveningStar]

Mr. Silverback, I have not picked my candidate yet. This is all happening too early for me. I’m not used to it. I guess I will have to get used to it, though. Because it’s the way it’s going to be from now on.

My main objection is the overall tone of the debate at FR. I’m used to a rough and tumble atmosphere, but this has gotten unbelievably vicious.

[trisham]

I realized that if I want a conservative forum, I'd better pony up for it. It seems to me that in the pre-primary season, liberal candidates really don't have a place here at FR. If they can win the primary despite conservative opposition, well, maybe Jim and the rest of us have to reconsider. But why pick any liberal RINO candidate when you can choose from conservatives in the primaries? Supporting conservatives while exposing liberals in the Donkey Party and the media is still the real mission of FreeRepublic, just as it has been from Day One.

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Conservative forum bump! Donate to Free Republic!

[wagglebee]

The fact there are no conservative Democrats currently in Congress, does not mean that they don’t exist. And the fact that someone is a registered Republican certainly doesn’t make them a conservative.

[liberty4alland4ever]

Endorsements does not equal votes.

First of all, do you really expect that those people I listed really won't be voting for Giuliani? I've heard of cynism, but....

Second of all, while they may not be able to rally votes for Rudy with their endorsements, it is certainly proof that Giuliani has not been read out of the conservative movement. Any claim to the contrary is easily refuted, and little more than an admission that one is losing the argument.

[Coleus]

Well said, thanks Jim.