Posted on 04/19/2007 9:54:05 PM PDT by TheZMan
I apologize for the vanity thread. I simply have no clue where to find an answer for this question aside from here.
With the recent news of outright subversion of both our troops and President which multiple members of FR have responded to as being treason, is there any way for a normal citizen to force an indictment / investigation / etc.?
You can do a Google search and find a senator charged with DUI, among other incidents, so it's not as though our senators and representatives enjoy immunity, it's just they're not being pursued in the right manner in response to their latest attempts at destroying the country.
“I’ve been suggesting whenever I see it for the Hanoi Jane Fonda threads that any freeper could citizen-arrest her under a citizen’s arrest provisions.”
Wow. You’ve got balls! If someone acts on that advice, gets sued and loses their home, I’d be worried about liability. Man, I got to hand it you.
“I want [a leading opposition figure] either imprisoned or in front of a court ordered firing squad.”
I’m trying to remember the names of people who have expressed similar sentiments before ...
“You can write your congresscritter, but you’d have better luck spitting in the wind.”
True.
In fact spitting in the wind offers several advantages. For one thing, the congresscritter’s staff won’t remember your letter if you ever had need to write again.
“Back when this was a civilized nation they would just have a detail of troops go over to the SOB’s house and make an arrest.”
You must think China and former Soviet Union were very civilized countries.
“If not, maybe we could do it symbolically and by creating a “shadow court” and put them on trial on some kind of Internet blog.”
Ooooohhhh!!!!!
Show trials!
You Rebublicans crack me up. And people wonder why I’m a libertarian.
Harry is a special case ... few in history have been as blind to the effect of his spittle as seditious Harry the undertaker. We might say the same thing of Boxsh!t and her defense of child slaughter in partial birth infanticide. She will be tormented for eternity, if there is justice in God’s Universe to come.
And just what, if anything are the Libertarians doing? Just posting doomsday on anyone who has an idea?
So Harry and Boxer will be tormented for eternity in the afterlife.
In that case, what do you care if they’re imprisoned or not?
You would end up looking just as goofy as the liberals that do that. A spectacle like that would reduce the seriousness of the charges and makes an entertainment circus out of it.
I can’t speak for anyone else. But if you think it’s a good idea, by all means put your time and money and liberty on the line and go for it. Let me know how it works out.
Thank you for your post. I am not sure what to do myself. I have asked Cavuto to have me on the show again to address the remarks that were made. I am happy to see on this post, that you are willing to stand up and do something if it is possible. The problems right now stem from people lurking in the dark and stepping on the genuine ideas of those willing to act. You can start by calling in to some of the radio programs, etc. Please encourage all people in the service to go to Michelle Malkin’s web page and write a letter to Harry Reid. People can make a difference if they stand up for what they believe in. Thank you for your post.
Deb Argel Bastian
Proud mother of Capt. Derek Argel USAF Combat Control KIA Memorial Day, 2005 Diyala, Iraq
For my nation, I want Harry stopped and Boxeer reputiated. For what reason do you pretend to care for these detritus?
Reading your vacuous posts, we Republicans probably wonder why you slither around here at FR; your lack of aliveness already bespeaks your libertarian disease. You sound like a typical Boortz-butthead.
“For what reason do you pretend to care for these detritus?”
I don’t.
But a care a whole lot about being free to pursue their own political agendas no matter how perverse they are — just like I care a whole lot about people being free to see what they want even if it’s false.
YMMV and probably does.
Indeed, my mileage does vary.
Yes, I think it is a good idea. I have already given all I have to give. My son died in this war, and I have made the trip to Iraq to see just what we are fighting. I saw evil, hardship, and hope. I am willing to put everything on the line, just like my son. If you are still hanging around, I’ll be happy to let you know how it works out.
I am so very sorry for the loss of your son. You have given more than enough. Peace.
"As a former governor, I know that enforcing the law and the border is especially important to the communities along the border. Illegal immigration puts pressure on our schools and hospitals -- I understand that. I understand it strains the resources needed for law enforcement and emergency services. And the vicious human strugglers -- smugglers and gangs that bring illegal immigrants across the border also bring crime to our neighborhoods and danger to the highways. Illegal immigration is a serious challenge. And our responsibility is clear: We are going to protect the border."
- George W. Bush
1) He works behind the scenes ith a private organization whose primary agenda is the end of national sovereignty to create a "North American Community". 2) He supports the implementation of Regional NGO policies that would among other things, establish a common security perimeter for Mexico, U.S. and Canada allowing the "free flow of people within North America" 3) He establishes policy allowing 100 Mexican trucking companies UNRESTRICTED ACCESS to the United States.
Even though his law enforcement agencies have advised him of the risks...
DEA
"Traffickers use tractor/trailers, trucks, vans and cars, as well as commercial trains, aircraft, Federal Express, and airborne courier services to smuggle drugs into and through the area. Use of the passenger rail system to move contraband is significant."
HOMELAND SECURITY
"In the week of August 7-13, 2006, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) apprehended 1055 non-Mexican illegal aliens at the Southern border, and released only 7 non-Mexican illegal aliens."
WHITE HOUSE
"Our skilled immigration security officers are also going against some of the most dangerous people in our society -- smugglers, terrorists, gang members and human traffickers. In Arizona, we have prosecuted more than 2,300 smugglers bringing drugs, guns and illegal immigrants across the border. As a part of Operation Community Shield, federal agents have arrested nearly 1,400 gang members who were here illegally, including hundreds of members of the violent Latin American gangs like MS-13."
FBI
"One of the most significant ramifications of the unrest along the border has been a string of kidnappings involving U.S. citizens. Between May 2004 and May 2005, there have been 35 reported abductions of U.S. citizens in this region (much larger numbers of Mexican citizens have been abducted along the border. From January to mid-August 2005, 202 kidnappings occurred in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas, the Gulf Cartel's operational center, which includes the cities of Matamoros, Nuevo Laredo, and Reynosa.) Thirty-four of these abductions occurred in Nuevo Laredo and involved U.S. citizens who had crossed the border. Twenty-three victims were released by their captors, nine victims remain missing, and two are confirmed dead."
"These numbers likely represent only a fraction of the actual occurrences, because many kidnappings of U.S. citizens go unreported."
DEPARTMENT of JUSTICE
"Criminal groups, particularly Mexican, and to a lesser extent outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs), particularly Outlaws, Pagan's, and Hells Angels, transport drugs into and through North Carolina in private and commercial vehicles on interstate highways. Drugs usually are concealed in false compartments in private vehicles or among legitimate goods, such as produce and furniture, in commercial vehicles. Mexican criminal groups, in particular, take advantage of the large volume of goods shipped in tractor-trailers from Mexico to North Carolina to transport drugs into the state. Industries in Mexico shipped 553,742 tons of legitimate goods to North Carolina in tractor-trailers in 2000."
The Taney Arrest Warrant is a recent conjectural controversy in Abraham Lincoln scholarship. The standard version of the story avers that in late May or early June of 1861 President Lincoln secretly ordered an arrest warrant for Roger B. Taney, the circuit riding Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, but abandoned the proposal. The arrest order is said to have been in response to Taney’s Circuit Judge ruling in Ex parte Merryman, which found Lincoln’s suspension of the writ of habeas corpus to be unconstitutional.
The main details of the story come from a single document written in the 1880s.
[edit] History and Evidence
The arrest warrant story is a recent “rediscovery” in Lincoln lore, though early references to it appear in documents contemporaneous to the Merryman case. The primary source document is a single manuscript written in the 1880s by Ward Hill Lamon, Lincoln’s friend, bodyguard, and United States Marshal for the District of Columbia during his administration. According to the manuscript, which is a brief history of Ex Parte Merryman by Lamon:
After due consideration the administration determined upon the arrest of the Chief Justice. A warrant or order was issued for his arrest. Then arose the question of service. Who should make the arrest and where the imprisonment should be? This was done by the President with instructions to use his own discretion about making the arrest unless he should receive further orders from him.
The warrant was never served, according to Lamon, for reasons that are not given. The manuscript dates from the 1880s and resides in the collection of Lamon papers at the Huntington Library.
During the Merryman case, Justice Taney is also known to have communicated knowledge of an unnamed “consultation” for his arrest to George William Brown, the mayor of Baltimore, who was present in his courtroom at the time of the verdict. Brown revealed the conversation in a later book -
“Mr. Brown, I am an old man, a very old man, but perhaps I was preserved for this occasion.” I replied, “Sir, I thank God that you were.” He then told me that he knew his own imprisonment had been a matter of consultation, but the danger had passed, and he warned me from information he had received, that my time would come.
Another period memoir by former Taney colleague and Supreme Court Justice Benjamin Robbins Curtis refers to a “great crime” that was almost committed against Taney by Lincoln, evidently a reference to the arrest warrant. The memoir of Taney himself, completed from his unfinished autobiography by Samuel Tyler in 1872, refers to the Chief Justice’s fears of arrest. According to Tyler, as Taney “left the house of his son-in-law, Mr. Campbell” en route to his courtroom “remarked that it was likely he should be imprisoned in Fort McHenry before night, but that he was going to Court to do his duty.”
After being virtually unknown for more than a century, Lamon’s story reemerged during the early 1970s in A More Perfect Union by Harold Hyman. Some recent writers have accepted the story as credible including historian Jeffrey Rogers Hummel in Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men. For a time in the 1980s and 1990s, it was believed that a second corroborating document by Francis Lieber referred to the warrant. This was the result of a mistaken numerical citation in an earlier work. The error was discovered by John Rodehamel, a manuscripts librarian at the Huntington Library. Once informed of this error, Jeffrey Hummel described Lamon’s unsupported account as “not credible.”
[edit] Controversy
One criticism is that Lamon is an unreliable source, remembered for lending his name to a ghost-written 1872 biography of Lincoln by Chauncey Black. The biography was received unfavorably by Robert Todd Lincoln, the president’s son, and was denounced for a lack of discretion. On the other hand, the habeas corpus manuscript was written in the mid 1880s around the time Lamon was working on his second book, Recollections of Abraham Lincoln, incomplete when he died (Lamon’s daughter edited the completed portions of it for posthumous publication). This second book is highly regarded among Lincoln scholars and is the main source for many well-known Lincoln anecdotes and quotes. Another criticism is that no copy of the warrant or other documentation has been found to support Lamon’s story. Some critics have also questioned the likelihood of placing such an important task in Lamon’s hands, though Lincoln often sent Lamon on important political tasks including a famous 1865 mission to Virginia that resulted in his absence as a bodyguard on the night of Lincoln’s assassination.
Doubts about Lamon’s credibility are not confined to the alleged Taney warrant. In his book Days of Defiance: Sumter, Secession, and the Coming of the Civil War, Maury Klein states that “Lamon’s own account in his Recollections, [pp.] 69-79, is so inflated in his own favor and contradictory to Hurlbut’s contemporary account to Lincoln as to be virtually useless as a source for his mission.” (p. 462, ch. 19 n. 12).
Lamon’s stature as a close Lincoln confidant was acknowledged by many well known Lincoln contemporaries. Alexander McClure wrote that Lamon completed “the circle of the men who were closest to Lincoln” and included him among the “so few who had any knowledge of the inner working of Mr. Lincoln’s administration.” John P. Usher, Lincoln’s Secretary of the Interior, told Lamon “I do not call to mind any one who was so much with him (Lincoln) as yourself.” Illinois Senator and Lincoln confidant Lyman Trumbull even wrote of Lamon’s 1872 book that it was “the only true history of Lincoln’s early life that I have ever read.”
During Lincoln’s administration several prominent political adversaries were arrested, including Congressman Clement Vallandigham, a leading Copperhead, and at least one other federal judge - William Matthew Merrick of the United States Circuit Court for the District of Columbia - was placed under house arrest for defying the suspension. Several northern newspapers also publicly called for Taney’s arrest after the Merryman ruling.
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