Source: NBC
Posted on 04/19/2007 6:55:29 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
Massacre and mental illness
Plus: AP targets Cho's sister
Source: NBC
If you haven't already read the December 2005 temporary detention order for VTech maniac Seung-Hui Cho, you should.
A source who works as a Special Justice in Virginia e-mailed me today:
The relevant statutes are at Title 37.2 of the Virginia Code......As he was NOT involuntary hospitalized, the following report was not required to be made:
37.2-819. Order of involuntary admission forwarded to CCRE; firearm background check.
The clerk shall certify and forward forthwith to the Central Criminal Records Exchange, on a form provided by the Exchange, a copy of any order for involuntary admission to a facility. The copy of the form and the order shall be kept confidential in a separate file and used only to determine a person's eligibility to possess, purchase, or transfer a firearm.
Yes, if he had been "committed" he may never have been able to purchase a firearm.
Without more facts, I am not second guessing the decision of the Special Justice. Perhaps the code should be amended to require the report to be filed upon the finding of iminent danger to self or others, not just involuntary hospitalization.
Dr. Helen notes that the decision to release him is all too common:
There is very little liability in this country when it comes to releasing the mentally ill back into the community or not taking dangerousness seriously. I once was doing an evaluation of a man who told me he was going to kill himself years ago. I called the local mental health center and they told me to "drive the guy over in my car." The level of stupidity and incompetence in the area of mental health is staggering.Clayton Cramer observes a swinging pedulum.
Bryan Preston notes ATF Form 4473, Question 11f.
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The Associated Press has decided to hound the VTech maniac's sister. Why? Is there evidence that she knew of his plans or was aware of his murderous tendencies? No. The AP doesn't report that. Instead, the entire article focuses on her employment in the Bush State Department. And this is relevant how?
Hell... they would have done it to a Marine recruiter. PC thought processes are a mental illness in themselves.
I think her statement was more like, “We’re going to take things away from you for THE GREATER GOOD”
Mary/TX
I don’t get what decision Special Justice made in this case. They decided not to involuntarily commit someone?
Bump! No kidding. Anything they can use to smear-by-association to make political hay.
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Absolutely, but there is a freeper who has cited in a vanity thread that the sister's work in Thailand is a 'tie to islam' that helped turn Cho into a jihadist.
How long before we hear, "We just need more money."
I have to wonder what it's going to take to convince the American public that the "mental health (ya right) community" is a dangerous farce, whose standard of care seems to have no way to deal with homicidal maniacs except to give them a pill to help them "get through their day."
“The Associated Press has decided to hound the VTech maniac’s sister. Why? Is there evidence that she knew of his plans or was aware of his murderous tendencies? No. The AP doesn’t report that. Instead, the entire article focuses on her employment in the Bush State Department. And this is relevant how?”
!!!!Why don’t you know, she MUST have put her brother up to it at the suggestion of one of CHENEY’S MINIONS BURIED IN AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT!!!!!! /sarc
“There is very little liability in this country when it comes to releasing the mentally ill back into the community or not taking dangerousness seriously.”
It is taken seriously in many quarters, but he’s right. There isn’t a lot of liability involved. A colleague I worked with at a center for children and adolescents noted one eleven year old in particular who scared us, his clueless parents, and his teachers to the point that everyone was trying to offload this psychotic child onto another system. This kid has no history of abuse, parental or otherwise, no neurological injury, tested well above average IQ, and a fairly stable family.
There are some cases out here that aren’t going to be helped no matter what you do medically or otherwise.
This particular kid was so evil, and I use the word advisedly simply because it isn’t PC in the mental health realm to do so, he shouldn’t be walking around unattended, ever, but I’m sure he is doing just that somewhere.
Totally stupid. Thanks for letting me know they’re out there, though.
Where is that?
I have not seen the fire story printed as a fact; do you have a link to that?
How could they get him out?
Charles Whitman, who murdered 18 people sniping from a tower at the University of Texas in 1966--and who autopsy showed had a golf-ball sized tumor in his brain, and had been receiving psychiatric treatment that didn't look for this physical cause.
People who are so convinced that psychiatric commitment is "the solution" need to look again. Whitman was under treatment. The treatment was stupid and ineffective (common for the era.) But it's not that much better today, especially when the side effects of some drugs are exactly what is supposed to be suppressed (violence, suicide, etc.)
"They ought to be fearful. A country like the United States ought to be free of weirdos and not reporting this Korean to authorities before he committed a horrendous crime has to be a burden to the Korean community. Someone in his community had to know of the likelihood of this person committing an atrocity."
43 posted on 04/17/2007 12:23:40 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversd)
Disgusting.
I felt the same and let him know it.
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