Massacre and mental illness - Plus: AP targets Cho's sister

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[the anti-liberal]

Massacre and mental illness
Plus: AP targets Cho's sister

By

Michelle Malkin

  ·   April 18, 2007 08:30 PM

Source: NBC

If you haven't already read the December 2005 temporary detention order for VTech maniac Seung-Hui Cho, you should.

A source who works as a Special Justice in Virginia e-mailed me today:

The relevant statutes are at Title 37.2 of the Virginia Code...

...As he was NOT involuntary hospitalized, the following report was not required to be made:

37.2-819. Order of involuntary admission forwarded to CCRE; firearm background check.

The clerk shall certify and forward forthwith to the Central Criminal Records Exchange, on a form provided by the Exchange, a copy of any order for involuntary admission to a facility. The copy of the form and the order shall be kept confidential in a separate file and used only to determine a person's eligibility to possess, purchase, or transfer a firearm.

Yes, if he had been "committed" he may never have been able to purchase a firearm.

Without more facts, I am not second guessing the decision of the Special Justice. Perhaps the code should be amended to require the report to be filed upon the finding of iminent danger to self or others, not just involuntary hospitalization.

Dr. Helen notes that the decision to release him is all too common:

There is very little liability in this country when it comes to releasing the mentally ill back into the community or not taking dangerousness seriously. I once was doing an evaluation of a man who told me he was going to kill himself years ago. I called the local mental health center and they told me to "drive the guy over in my car." The level of stupidity and incompetence in the area of mental health is staggering.

Clayton Cramer observes a swinging pedulum.

Bryan Preston notes ATF Form 4473, Question 11f.

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The Associated Press has decided to hound the VTech maniac's sister. Why? Is there evidence that she knew of his plans or was aware of his murderous tendencies? No. The AP doesn't report that. Instead, the entire article focuses on her employment in the Bush State Department. And this is relevant how?

[the anti-liberal]

Didn't see this posted by title.

IMO,

Clayton Cramer observes a swinging pedulum.

deserves a look.

But because this might effect a large majority of the Liberal Left and the Democrat voting block, I'm sure it will be ignored, especially by the MSM. Maybe Bill Bennett can take up the cause, maybe, if us conservatives and moderates clamor enough, we can make this - and the right to self-defense - unavoidable presidential campaign issues.

Having said that, I must now apologize for posting and running. I should be working on a paper for my Constitutional Law class at university, due today, not posting on FR! :^)

[Lusis]

Are you suprised to see that the media will use anything to put a political hit an anyone in the Bush administration?

[the anti-liberal]

I would be surprised if they didn’t. Their actions here are despicable. In the old days, perhaps they could have been taken off the air and committed...?

[Kitten Festival]

It’s incredibly unfair to target the sister.

[P-40]

Good post. And I am disgusted to see the media is hounding the killer’s family.

[Dreagon]

Just goes to show why we have the Second Amendment. You can’t trust the government with your security..

[swatbuznik]

Is there no end to AP’s sickness?

[silverleaf]

The standard of proof that someone is a “danger to others” is very high and very hard to prove to a level to involuntarily “commit” a mentally ill person, or persuade a judge to commit them for very long if you do.

The standard of proof that someone is a danger to themselves requires that they convince a psych and a judge that they will kill themselves unless comitted.

Mentally ill people especially like Cho, who are paranoid or blame others for their unhappiness, are not dumb. If they really want to hurt other people, not themselves, most are crafty enough to NOT admit being suicidal when they come before a judge, most do NOT want to be held in a mental hospital.
Catch22.

[The South Texan]

Is there no end to AP’s sickness?

You can’t spell crAP without the AP in it.

[johnny7]

“Instead, the entire article focuses on her employment in the Bush State Department.”

LOL... she got dat' Bushitis!

PC killed 32 on Monday morning at VT... and NO ONE has done more to embed PC thought patterns into the sheeple than the AP.

[freespirited]

The standard of proof that someone is a “danger to others” is very high and very hard to prove to a level to involuntarily “commit” a mentally ill person, or persuade a judge to commit them for very long if you do.

Agreed, but the standard of proof that someone is a danger to his fellow students should not be so high that a person can set a fire in a dorm and remain enrolled. I cant imagine what Tech's excuse is.

[silverleaf]

Tech admin like all college admin these days are liberal idiots. Cho would have been tossed out of school in a second for “hate speech” or “anti gay harassment” but was permitted to stay after setting fire in dorm, being flagged as violently disturbed by professor and tutor who set up their own code word for “help” when they met with him, kept on tho’ he was so intimidating the majority of his English classmates in one class would not attend class with him, and stalking/harassing TWO women. Whether those women chose to file legal charges with Blacksburg police or not, the university should have held its own review and taken its own action. Which it would certainly do for far lesser “offenses”.

[RushCrush]

You are so right about PC.

[the anti-liberal]

Hillary:

"We are going to take things away from you for the good of others." (or something like that)

If she tried to do what she did to health care, imagine what she'll try to do to self-defense.

Imagine a Democrat and socially liberal (should I say socialist?) White House!

[the anti-liberal]

"Is there no end to AP’s sickness?"

Not that I've been able to tell.

[Badeye]

Its becoming crystal clear VT has quite a bit of explaining to do.

[the anti-liberal]

"It’s incredibly unfair to target the sister."

Absolutely. And someone with clout needs to pound them over the head with that fact - and drive home the insanity of BDS.

[the anti-liberal]

Actually I think her statement might be closer to

"We are going to take things away from you for your own good."

Which, of course, only drives the point home even further.

[mel]

I am completely amazed that Cho was able to stay in school. It really floors me!

[syriacus]

I've got a better connection...

Cho's sister attended Princeton.

Maybe Cho picked up some "pro-death culture" from Princeton's Professor Peter Singer who thinks it is all right to kill flawed babies.

Cho viewed college students as flawed and thought they did not deserve to live.

PRINCETON, September 12, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a question and answer article published in the UK's Independent today, controversial Princeton University Professor Peter Singer repeats his notorious stand on the killing of disabled newborns.  Asked, "Would you kill a disabled baby?", Singer responded, "Yes, if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole."

People who oppose Singer's position have maintained that Singer is the logical extension of the culture of death and that society will eventually embrace his stance if there is no shift to the culture of life.