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People don't stop killers. People with guns do [This is excellent!]
nydailynews.com ^ | April 18th 2007 | GLENN REYNOLDS

Posted on 04/18/2007 10:25:55 PM PDT by grundle

On Monday, as the news of the Virginia Tech shootings was unfolding, I went into my advanced constitutional law seminar to find one of my students upset. My student, Tara Wyllie, has a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, but she isn't allowed to have a weapon on campus. That left her feeling unsafe. "Why couldn't we meet off campus today?" she asked.

Virginia Tech graduate student Bradford Wiles also has a permit to carry a gun, in Virginia. But on the day of the shootings, he would have been unarmed for the same reason: Like the University of Tennessee, where I teach, Virginia Tech bans guns on campus.

In The Roanoke Times last year - after another campus incident, when a dangerous escaped inmate was roaming the campus - Wiles wrote that, when his class was evacuated, "Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness. That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself."

Wiles reported that when he told a professor how he felt, the professor responded that she would have felt safer if he had had a gun, too.

What's more, she would have been safer. That's how I feel about my student (one of a few I know who have gun carry permits), as well. She's a responsible adult; I trust her not to use her gun improperly, and if something bad happened, I'd want her to be armed because I trust her to respond appropriately, making the rest of us safer.

Virginia Tech doesn't have that kind of trust in its students (or its faculty, for that matter). Neither does the University of Tennessee. Both think that by making their campuses "gun-free," they'll make people safer, when in fact they're only disarming the people who follow rules, law-abiding people who are no danger at all.

This merely ensures that the murderers have a free hand. If there were more responsible, armed people on campuses, mass murder would be harder.

In fact, some mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. Though press accounts downplayed it, the 2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 fromhis truck and ran to the scene. In February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun.

Police can't be everywhere, and as incidents from Columbine to Virginia Tech demonstrate, by the time they show up at a mass shooting, it's usually too late. On the other hand, one group of people is, by definition, always on the scene: the victims. Only if they're armed, they may wind up not being victims at all.

"Gun-free zones" are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student, or Bradford Wiles, are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers like Cho Seung-hui. That's an insult. Sometimes, it's a deadly one.

Reynolds is Beauchamp Brogan distinguished professor of law at the University of Tennessee. He is the author of the book "An Army of Davids" and blogs at instapundit.com.


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This was posted yesterday, but it's so good that it needs to be posted again. I hope that's OK with the moderators.
1 posted on 04/18/2007 10:25:58 PM PDT by grundle
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Ever notice that there a lots of mass-killings in “gun-free zones”, aka “criminal safety zones” but there aren’t any at police stations or military bases?


2 posted on 04/18/2007 10:30:56 PM PDT by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: grundle
Liberals adore felons. Why, they wouldn't want them to be killed by crazed right-wing nutjobs. Welcome to The Twilight Zone.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 04/18/2007 10:31:35 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: grundle

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4 posted on 04/18/2007 10:36:58 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (The devil made me do it!,.......................................................( well, not really.)
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To: grundle
My own university sent a very interesting letter out stating among several things that firearms are permitted on campus in certain specific circumstances. Without reading too much into it, it seemed to me a very revealing reaction and one that I wouldn't have expected. We'll see where they go with it. The author's state just passed legislation rescinding some of the restrictions on concealed weapons in public buildings. The anti-gun zealots are making all the usual noises but I don't think it's working this time. Maybe people really have had enough. We'll see.
5 posted on 04/18/2007 10:39:15 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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We had a mall shooting and it was an armed citizen that brought it to an end. Guns aren’t bad, people are.


6 posted on 04/18/2007 10:41:28 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: goldstategop
"Liberals adore felons."

If the gun-grabbers are successful, I hope the libs have enough adoration to go around when we all become felons.

On second thought, I don't think I want to get hugged by a lib.

7 posted on 04/18/2007 10:42:17 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: grundle

Glenn Reynolds aka Instapundit. The number one blog on the internet. It’s the first site I go to every morning. www.instapundit.com


8 posted on 04/18/2007 10:52:23 PM PDT by MovementConservative (Run Fred run.)
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To: grundle
Virginia Tech doesn't have that kind of trust in its students (or its faculty, for that matter). Neither does the University of Tennessee. Both think that by making their campuses "gun-free," they'll make people safer, when in fact they're only disarming the people who follow rules, law-abiding people who are no danger at all.

I don't see how he could know how he or she would react in such a situation, with perhaps half a dozen others in the room carrying. Has he ever been under fire? Has she? Especially face-to-face with some deranged guy in a killing frenzy who knows he's gonna die?

It might be reasonable to have a program something like air marshalls. Students and faculty who have state carry permits and who would be willing to undergo screening and combat training to obtain a campus carry permit.
9 posted on 04/18/2007 11:04:08 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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Both think that by making their campuses "gun-free," they'll make people safer, when in fact they're only disarming the people who follow rules, law-abiding people who are no danger at all.

This needs to be repeated over and over and over. Cho Seung-hui didn't give a flying you-know-what Virginia Tech was a gun free zone, and neither will other nutjobs, terrorists or plain old criminals.

10 posted on 04/18/2007 11:11:35 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.)
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To: caveat emptor
Good guys know who the bad guys are. It is instinct in good guys. Age and numbers has nothing to do with it. Just look at Audie Murphy. The most decorated soldier in WWII was discharge from the military at the old age of 19.


11 posted on 04/18/2007 11:13:40 PM PDT by DocRock (What would Solomon Do?)
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To: grundle

I don’t encourage anyone to do anything illegal, but I have a permit, and when I feel like I need to carry, I carry, and I mean everywhere.


12 posted on 04/18/2007 11:17:43 PM PDT by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: DocRock

I remember seeing his uniform on display. He was small of stature but big otherwise.


13 posted on 04/18/2007 11:18:20 PM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: Eastbound
On second thought, I don't think I want to get hugged by a lib.

I would if she was young cute and impessionable:-)

14 posted on 04/18/2007 11:34:57 PM PDT by Dosa26 (Things fall apart, the center does not hold)
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To: mcshot
Yep and he simply killed the bad guys that were trying to kill his buddies. He was just a kid and he did a good job. The same discernment lies in all good people. We don’t want to hurt good or innocent people, but we will fight to protect them.
15 posted on 04/18/2007 11:48:24 PM PDT by DocRock (What would Solomon Do?)
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To: caveat emptor

Many of the more “aggressive” kids (i.e., those who don’t follow the liberal surrender mantra) play violent video games that desensitize them to the initial shock of a situation. Of course, they then have to have an idea of what to do next, but that’s easily corrected.

See the numerous studies of late about how video games affect kids’ reaction times. Or talk to a current/recent drill instructor. That part of military training has actually gotten easier to get across with the advent of superrealistic combat simulation games. Remember, the Army is now using the same games kids play at home (”America’s Army”) to train the troops.


16 posted on 04/18/2007 11:55:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Many of the more “aggressive” kids (i.e., those who don’t follow the liberal surrender mantra) play violent video games that desensitize them to the initial shock of a situation.

A "violent video game" is still just a game. Does not relate to how you're going to function in combat, facing an armed enemy. I wouldn't bet much on Instapundit's little coed not freaking out under fire, and who likely has never played a video game, let alone had some tactical training.
17 posted on 04/19/2007 12:50:48 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: grundle
While they whine and scream that the campus was not shut down in the hours between the shootings, while the perp was mailing his package to the MSM, it's my understanding that one of the first two victims boyfriends was "into guns", and became the immediate suspect.

Now, if the boyfriend had been with her, and had his gun with him then this would have ended there, wouldn't it have.

18 posted on 04/19/2007 1:33:53 AM PDT by BigLittle
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To: grundle

Ping


19 posted on 04/19/2007 3:28:52 AM PDT by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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20 posted on 04/19/2007 3:36:24 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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