Posted on 04/17/2007 12:45:42 PM PDT by bedolido
THIS is the face of the girl who may have sparked the worst school shooting in US history.
Eighteen-year-old Emily Jane Hilscher was one of the first two victims to be identified in the Virginia Tech massacre, along with 22-year-old Ryan Clark.
The pair were neighbours in rooms 4040 and 4042 on the fourth floor of the West Ambler Johnston Hall dormitory where a gunman began the first of 33 campus shootings on Monday morning just after 7am, US time.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...
Who gets dropped off at YOUR dorm at 6:30 in the AM unless you’ve been someplace else all night doing something else that the killer didn’t like! He was up early each morning to stalk her return to the dorm as the boyfriend dropped her off. Choy didn’t like that!
IP addresses and ideology. Some days, I think that's about it.
You said — “I really doubt that they had any kind of boyfriend/girlfriend relationship from the description of his personality from his roommates.”
While it may be true that they were not boyfriend/girlfriend, it may be also true that they had gone out and done some things or associated with each other. The facts as reported by the news and the eyewitnesses indicate some kind of *association* with one another — or else he would have been told to get lost and not contact that girl — instead of the RA attempting to mediate the argument. In fact, you wouldn’t have an argument with someone who was stalking you — you would simply have them removed from the people — and no mediation and no talking. Nope, there was a *relationship* of *some kind* there — albeit, it didn’t have to be boyfriend/girlfriend.
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You also said — “The assumption early on that it was his girlfriend and that it was a jilted lover or whatever was way early.”
An argument like this very well could be because he wanted to move into that type of relationship and she did not want to take it any further — and so she “dumped him” as in saying, “I don’t think we should see each other anymore.” And this could have happened without them ever having been boyfriend/girlfriend. It happens like that all the time on campuses (not the shootings) — like someone goes out for a few times, but finally one or the other decides this shouldn’t continue any longer and they move on to the next person. It could be something that simple.
And the argument could have been coming from the guy wanting to take it “up a notch” and she wanting to drop it completely.
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Finally — “Its more likely since he lived nextdoor that he developed an obsession with her and was jealous and insulted that she dated others, and she probably had no idea he thought about her.”
He didn’t live next door. That was the RA who lived next door, the next room over. This shooter lived in another building on campus, from what I read.
But, he was probably obsessed with her. However, it also appears that they did have some kind of relationship.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “She probably smiled and said hi to him a couple of times while passing in the hall. From that, he built a fantasy world.”
I’d say much more than that, from what the witnesses were saying...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Interestingly enough, her face structure reminds me of Chelsea Clinton. Broad set eyes and high cheek bones.
R.I.P. young one.
You said — “Every guy has been trapped in the “friend zone” with a cute girl at one point.”
And that’s probably — exactly what it was. He was wanting to step it up a notch and she wasn’t. Or even, she said (sensing that something was wrong here) said, “I don’t think we should see each other anymore.” (oh those deadly words, in more ways than one...)
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “I can just picture this guy’s isolated, miserable existence. For some reason a cute chick takes pity on him and treats him kindly, offering a tantalizing glimpse of something better. Then he seethes with jealousy as she dates a bunch of rich frat guys, knowing an Asian dork like him has zero chance.”
Yep, and she probably went out a few times, did a bit of dating with him, but quickly decided he was not it. And that’s probably what the argument was about.
Regards,
Star Traveler
That's a reasonable - but hardly the only possible - inference. Consider the scenario - you're an RA. You hear about an argument between a boy and a girl at 7:15. You assume it's a domestic argument, so you wander over to her door, bleary-eyed, to try to figure it out. You won't, initially, tell the guy to get out of there before you know what's going on.
In other words, I think it's equally likely that the RA never got an opportunity to tell the guy to get lost, or that he did and that's what set him off.
You said — “Then again, there may have been deep involvement.”
There had to be some involvement, or else she would have been arguing with a stranger. Most likely they went out a few times, as girls will do on campus — to different functions or whatever. He probably wanted to take it up a notch and she figured out that he wasn’t the right one. If she said something like, “I think we should quit seeing each other.” — then that might have been the argument that happened earlier. He came back later and then shot her.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “That’s a reasonable - but hardly the only possible - inference. Consider the scenario - you’re an RA. You hear about an argument between a boy and a girl at 7:15. You assume it’s a domestic argument, so you wander over to her door, bleary-eyed, to try to figure it out. You won’t, initially, tell the guy to get out of there before you know what’s going on.”
Read that article again carefully. The way I read it — the argument was earlier (doesn’t say when exactly, could have been the night before). And then *he returns*. The article clearly states that he returned. So, the argument happens first.
Then, the second time he’s there, the shooting happens. This is the report that another student gave — that the guy first shoots the girl, and then the RA comes out of his room and they guy shoots the RA.
That’s how I’m piecing all this together with the facts that have been reported so far.
You then said — “In other words, I think it’s equally likely that the RA never got an opportunity to tell the guy to get lost, or that he did and that’s what set him off.”
If this was all *one event* — then this would be a possibility. But, I read it as two events. The argument is the first one. Then the return and the shooting is the second event.
The “two event” piecing together of the story would be a key ingredient for understanding what happened. We’ll have to see how that is clarified.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “Plus he could buy alcohol without a fake ID. We don’t know if he, her or the “new” BF were or were not part of the campus radical culture.”
Yep, I’ve known girls that will “play you along” for certain things you can do (whatever that may be). And they’ll be playing the field while they’re at it.
In this case, I can’t say that this girl was like that. It’s obvious that they had *some kind* of relationship, even if it was just a few dates or whatever. But, in general, I can say that a lot of girls are like that, playing one person along while going out with another. That especially happens in college, for sure. That’s a time for “fun and games” (plus whatever education one gets there).
So, in this instance, I’m not saying that this girl was like that. It’s just not out of the realm of possibilties.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Doesn’t even look like the same person, picture to picture...
Well people do look different at times. And of course the media picks the worst ones .... like this one for another guy.
Not his best day.
The gunman was identified by federal law enforcement authorities late last night as Cho Seung-Hui.... .....Witnesses to the shooting said that the gunman was involved in an argument with a girlfriend and had later stormed out of the dormitory building.
From your posts, it seems that you are taking the article to mean that because authorities ID'd the gunman as Cho, that the witnesses also ID'd him as Cho. I think the article left room for doubt.
As events have unfolded, it looks more and more like your take is correct.
Re-reading the article, it looks like he had the argument, where the RA was brought in, he left in a huff (was forced to leave?), and came back (went to get his gun?).
Witnesses to the shooting said that the gunman was involved in an argument with a girlfriend and had later stormed out of the dormitory building.A counsellor – believed to be Mr Clark, who was also a resident adviser – was called to calm the situation at the dormitory.
The gunman returned at 7.15am and shot Ms Hilscher and Mr Clark. US media reported that Mr Clark had been shot in the neck.
That was worth a good laugh! LOL
exactly...
That's scary stuff. It looks like Virginia Tech knew about this, and did nothing. I see Tarasoff failure to warn liability.
Why?
Doing what?
If you feel it's necessary to make a public statement like this about two people who have just been murdered, shouldn't you support it with fact?
Shouldn't you also explain your reason for mentioning it at all?
What are you, the thought police?
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