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Virginia Tech Students Doomed by Gun Ban [a 'must read']
Hog On Ice ^ | April 16, 2007 | Steve H. Graham

Posted on 04/16/2007 3:28:50 PM PDT by jdm

Edited on 04/16/2007 6:49:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I just found out about the massacre at Virginia Tech.

The thing that makes me most angry is that the dead students were penned up like sheep for the slaughter, in a ridiculous "gun-free zone." A better phrase would be "self-defense-free zone," or maybe "danger-free zone for armed criminals."


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunban; jabaz; mohammed; mohammedjabaz; students; virginiatech; vt
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To: Hatband
I wonder if it would be considered in good taste to send Mr. Hincker a note of congratulations on the success of his ‘no gun’ policy.

I think that idiocy should be pointed out at any time. Hence, I wrote a brief e-mail to that dolt, first expressing my condolences, of course. Then I noted that he and his university successfully fought the corrective legislation in the Virginia Assembly committee and he was thankful that it was stopped.

And I closed with "Perhaps more "Gun-Free Zone" signs may be helpful."

161 posted on 04/16/2007 7:34:14 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: jdm
These kinds of sories make me think of a great Texan
162 posted on 04/16/2007 7:36:24 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: jdm

The way you worded it made me respond the way I did.

No disrespect intended.


163 posted on 04/16/2007 7:42:43 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: RC2
No comparison..........the military is a controlled situation. Place guns in the hands of 4000 students in a school in Los Angeles

Sounds like reality of today to mee

164 posted on 04/16/2007 7:43:01 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Parmy
Thanks, Parmy! I always enjoy that (yer # 40) article. ............. FRegards
165 posted on 04/16/2007 7:44:07 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: jdm

www.a-human-right.com


166 posted on 04/16/2007 7:48:30 PM PDT by G S Patton (Those who turn their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.)
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To: All

Believe in gun control?

Take the test at www.a-human-right.com


167 posted on 04/16/2007 7:49:51 PM PDT by G S Patton (Those who turn their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I’m not sure that I would want 4000 teenage students running around armed. I think that in todays world, things could go real bad, real fast."

How do you feel about 18 year-olds making a choice to enlist in the military? If their old enough to go protect your life and liberties, don't you think their old enough to protect their own?

You are absolutely correct! Its high time we stop expecting young adults to act like irresponsible children. We all need to buck up and be responsible for our own safety.

We see a lot of pictures today of police running around the Virginia Tech campus, waving guns. But exactly how many lives did they save by their actions today? The answer: ZERO.

168 posted on 04/16/2007 7:53:38 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I’m not sure that I would want 4000 teenage students running around armed. I think that in todays world, things could go real bad, real fast."

How do you feel about 18 year-olds making a choice to enlist in the military? If their old enough to go protect your life and liberties, don't you think their old enough to protect their own?

You are absolutely correct! Its high time we stop expecting young adults to act like irresponsible children. We all need to buck up and be responsible for our own safety.

We see a lot of pictures today of police running around the Virginia Tech campus, waving guns. But exactly how many lives did they save by their actions today? The answer: ZERO.

169 posted on 04/16/2007 7:55:01 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I’m not sure that I would want 4000 teenage students running around armed. I think that in todays world, things could go real bad, real fast."

How do you feel about 18 year-olds making a choice to enlist in the military? If their old enough to go protect your life and liberties, don't you think their old enough to protect their own?

You are absolutely correct! Its high time we stop expecting young adults to act like irresponsible children. We all need to buck up and be responsible for our own safety.

We see a lot of pictures today of police running around the Virginia Tech campus, waving guns. But exactly how many lives did they save by their actions today? The answer: ZERO.

170 posted on 04/16/2007 7:55:23 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"I’m not sure that I would want 4000 teenage students running around armed. I think that in todays world, things could go real bad, real fast."

How do you feel about 18 year-olds making a choice to enlist in the military? If their old enough to go protect your life and liberties, don't you think their old enough to protect their own?

You are absolutely correct! Its high time we stop expecting young adults to act like irresponsible children. We all need to buck up and be responsible for our own safety.

We see a lot of pictures today of police running around the Virginia Tech campus, waving guns. But exactly how many lives did they save by their actions today? The answer: ZERO.

171 posted on 04/16/2007 7:55:41 PM PDT by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: plain talk

Well let’s tone down that hyperbole and just state things as they are. Gun control is responsible for making V. Tech a place where mass murder on a huge scale is very easy to accomplish. There’s a fact.


172 posted on 04/16/2007 8:23:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: plain talk
I was referring to this specific situation. In this case it would have made absolutely no difference in the outcome. The attacker was suicidal which is evidenced by the fact he took his own life rather than attempting to flee. So in this case the attacker was not concerned with his safety.

Ridiculous. One person with a gun could have stopped him no matter what his mindset.

173 posted on 04/16/2007 8:27:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: RC2
4000 teenage students???

Is that what you really feel like would happen?

174 posted on 04/16/2007 8:29:27 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rodgers)
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To: TigersEye

Not in this particular case.


175 posted on 04/16/2007 8:39:07 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: RC2
I’m not sure that I would want 4000 teenage students running around armed.

How about 300. Most people that are non-felons who are legal to purchase a firearm don't buy one. Of those that do own guns many do not acquire concealed weapon permits (perps never do either). The fact is there was no minimal layer of protection apparent and in these days of heightened terrorism threats, no viable plan enacted after the initial double homicide and due to the "gun-free" status of the campus, no LEGAL way for students to protect themselves. And needless to say if a student had ignored all the rules, had a gun on their person and stopped the killing the Dems would have demanded the hero be charged with violating the gun-free school zone.

I won't be surprised if we learn that the perp was actually aced by a student.

176 posted on 04/16/2007 8:41:22 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Al Queda In Iraq - Undocumented Terrorists)
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To: plain talk

You don’t know that. That’s just a maybe. A big maybe. There is nothing about a suicidal shooter that makes him invulnerable to a bullet. If that were true then our troops could never kill a jihadi. The Irealis could never kill a jihadi. You’re just spouting nonsense like some little kid.


177 posted on 04/16/2007 8:41:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: TigersEye

The probability is low that a person in the vicinity of that building would have had a gun. Even if a person right there had had a gun they would probably have been taken out by the time they went for their gun in their pants or whatever, loaded, cocked and delivered a round. It happened too fast.

So while possible it’s not likely. I am against gun control. But I am for logic and common sense. I was responding to the statement in the article that said this was caused by gun control. I believe it is likely this incident would have happened with or without gun control - that’s all. So save your barbs for someone else.


178 posted on 04/16/2007 8:45:37 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: bigjoesaddle

It’s better to BE safe than to FEEL safe.


179 posted on 04/16/2007 8:48:16 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: TigersEye

Already explained this several times. Yes it is possible but not likely someone could have taken him out. First a person in the immediate vicinity had to have a gun. The probability of that is low - with or without gun control. then that person would have had to get that gun out of their pants, holster, load it, aim it and deliver a round before being shot. That is also not likely.

So the article’s statement that “gun control sealed their doom” is not true based on likely outcomes. While it is always be better for citizens to be able to defend themselves in this case gun control did not make any difference. It happened too fast too early in the morning.

And I resent people butchering logic to make a point - which I agree with by the way.


180 posted on 04/16/2007 8:53:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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