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The Shooter goes in knowing he has a free fire zone until the police come no one is likely to have a weapon to stop him. He can take his time and take careful aim.
1 posted on 04/16/2007 9:48:11 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Utah (and Israel and others) have it right.

Law-abiding citizens with CCW on campus, and other places out in public, are just the people who can STOP this kind of sh*t in its tracks, saving MANY lives and killing the perp.

When will our wimp legislators ever learn?

45 posted on 04/16/2007 11:29:54 AM PDT by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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Idiots. Does the Virginia General Assembly think keeping universities gun-free will prevent future massacres like today's? Yeah, that's the ticket - punish the criminal by disarming every law-abiding university student and employee.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

46 posted on 04/16/2007 11:33:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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MSM reporters to police: "The inevitable question parents will be asking is 'How could this have been prevented...?"

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
-- George Washington

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.
--Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
-- Richard Henry Lee

[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ... Horrid mischief would ensue were [the law-abiding] deprived the use of them.
-- Thomas Paine

It is your responsibility to protect yourself and your family from criminals. If you rely on the government for protection, you are going to be at least disappointed and at worst injured or killed.
-- from A Message from the Sheriff on the back of a victims' rights pamphlet
by five-term San Miguel County Sheriff Bill Masters (L) of Telluride, Colorado

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
-- Thomas Jefferson, "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776,
quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764.


48 posted on 04/16/2007 11:37:48 AM PDT by XR7
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He can take his time and take careful aim.

First of all, I seriously doubt that the shooter in this case was aiming carefully. It sounds as if he was able to frighten his victims into submitting meekly (like the sheep we create in the public schools) so he could pop them at close range. Perhaps even contact range. I'll bet every shot he took at any other distance missed an intended target. However, in a target rich environment, it's certainly possible that even a miss would hit somebody else.

When I was a student at the University of Alabama in the late 1970's, a lot of us Army ROTC cadets had our CCW permits and carried on campus. Never a problem!

Gee, where in the heavily armed south in THIS day and age are you guaranteed to find thousands of unarmed sheep to slaughter? Answer: On campus.

Do you know that armed students from the University of Alabama mounted a defense of the campus against a yankee incursion during the War Between the States (aka "The Recent Unpleasantness" in Alabama)? They failed, but they fought with valor. My how times have changed.

51 posted on 04/16/2007 11:47:01 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
52 posted on 04/16/2007 12:18:27 PM PDT by Enchante (Liefong, Fitzfong, Earlefong, Schumfong, Waxfong, Pelosifong.... see a pattern here?!?)
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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Since the gun-grabbers are making political hay out of this we might as well. This quote and story needs to be sent to the every victim's family.
56 posted on 04/16/2007 12:35:13 PM PDT by BJClinton (Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons.)
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The one piece of legislation that might have saved some of these students. How ironic.


58 posted on 04/16/2007 12:51:34 PM PDT by PsyOp (Self-defense is a part of the law of nature - Barclay)
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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

That sure worked. /s

62 posted on 04/16/2007 1:03:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (¡Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de Amexica!)
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In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

Only 21 dead so far. Let's give this a chance, people. /s

63 posted on 04/16/2007 1:04:51 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (¡Bienvenidos a los Estados Unidos de Amexica!)
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A school with a vaunted Cadet Squad and a ‘no-carry’? Did they practice with broomsticks?


64 posted on 04/16/2007 1:07:10 PM PDT by StAnDeliver
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Bump for later reading


68 posted on 04/16/2007 1:19:40 PM PDT by Donaeus (God bless the Heros who defend us at every hour, no matter the cost.)
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"A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly."





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69 posted on 04/16/2007 1:32:39 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

This is going to rank right up there with Chamberlin's,

"Peace in our Time"


71 posted on 04/16/2007 2:15:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

78 posted on 04/16/2007 2:33:18 PM PDT by bigjoesaddle (If Gandhi were President instead of Ronald Regan, we would be calling one another "Comrade" now.)
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Obviously our prayers go to the families of the students killed in this senseless crime, BUT

In my days at VT (mid 60's), we had 7000+ cadets, and about 1000 "civilian" students, and every cadet was issued an M-1 rifle, and those on the rifle team had their own weapons. That doesn't include those who had personal weapons in their cars or dorms. None of us had ammunition (at least openly), but this campus probably had a higher percentage of guns per student than virtually any community in the nation. The campus was virulently pro-military. The media never reported on it, but what other campus had a march supporting the military in Viet Nam? 80%+ of the students in those days were in ROTC and went into the military upon graduation. There are still a few hundred cadets (you saw some of them in the videos).

From those days, VT has been converted into just another liberal state university, with a large percentage of foreign students. What a shame!

85 posted on 04/16/2007 6:54:41 PM PDT by NoneOfTheAbove (Economics=Reality; Politics=Fantasy; When politics meets reality, economics decides the winner)
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