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22 dead in Va. Tech shooting rampage
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/?GT1=9246 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 9:34:30 AM PDT by Shade2

BREAKING NEWS MSNBC staff and news service reports Updated: less than 1 minute ago BLACKSBURG, Va. - At least 22 people were killed Monday in a shooting rampage on the Virginia Tech campus, police said. They said the gunman was among the dead.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; blacksburg; crime; shooting; vatech; virginia; virginiatech
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To: Red Badger

You can bet your last dime that if this guy turns out to be a muslim, it’ll disappear from the news faster than Don Imus’ job...........

I was thinking the same thing. I was also...thinking the possiblility that it might be an illegal immigrant.

What a tragedy...

One other point about these school and college shootings. When you take God out of the school system and teach these students that we evolved from animals (and there are no moral absolutes) -— we shouldn’t be surprised when they act like animals. I would be surprised if they didn’t.

The two shooters at Columbine both believed in Evil-lution.
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141 posted on 04/16/2007 11:13:18 AM PDT by RadicalSon2
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To: af_vet_rr

Fox News is doing the same thing. Very little actual news reporting, lots of speculation, what if scenarios, and leading questions to a student witness minutes ago.


142 posted on 04/16/2007 11:13:28 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Dead Dog

I’d take that bet. There is a likelihood those betting it was one of “those Muslims” every time some tragedy occurs may actually get it right one of these times. But you will be wrong more times than right. There are a lot of bad things that happen in the world that are not caused by Muslims.


143 posted on 04/16/2007 11:13:47 AM PDT by willi76
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To: Shade2
Story now says the killer used two 9 mm handguns. If it had not been an Unarmed Victim Zone, someone with an Evil Black "Assault Weapon" could have taken him down, or at least pinned him down, way before he killed all those people.

Whitman, the Texas Tower shooter had an excellent position, with both cover and concealment, and he'd thought about how to defend it. Still it was not long before he was pinned down and much less effective, by students who got their *rifles* out of the back of their pick 'em trucks, or out of their dorms and apartments. He had all sorts of weapons, including many more powerful than an assault rifle, and was a Marine trained shooter, yet he only managed to kill 13 people, because he did not have free reign after the first few minutes.

144 posted on 04/16/2007 11:14:55 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Shade2

The usual anti-gun groups are probably having orgasms right now.


145 posted on 04/16/2007 11:14:59 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: Shade2
Story now says the killer used two 9 mm handguns. If it had not been an Unarmed Victim Zone, someone with an Evil Black "Assault Weapon" could have taken him down, or at least pinned him down, way before he killed all those people.

Whitman, the Texas Tower shooter had an excellent position, with both cover and concealment, and he'd thought about how to defend it. Still it was not long before he was pinned down and much less effective, by students who got their *rifles* out of the back of their pick 'em trucks, or out of their dorms and apartments. He had all sorts of weapons, including many more powerful than an assault rifle, and was a Marine trained shooter, yet he only managed to kill 13 people, because he did not have free reign after the first few minutes.

146 posted on 04/16/2007 11:15:07 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: RadicalSon2
When you take God out of the school system and teach these students that we evolved from animals (and there are no moral absolutes) -— we shouldn’t be surprised when they act like animals. I would be surprised if they didn’t.

I hope you didn't injure yourself twisting this tragedy to fit your creationist agenda.

147 posted on 04/16/2007 11:15:46 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Just sayin
but I did just hear a dem in the media at the White House presser ask if the President would support raising the age for being allowed to have a gun.

And to think, just a scant 30 years ago, I remember looking out my high school window at all the pickup trucks with guns in their racks. Ack!

Prayers for the victims and their families!

148 posted on 04/16/2007 11:17:09 AM PDT by MamaTexan (History is ~rarely~ both accurate AND politically correct!)
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To: Capt. Tom

This country is diseased and dieing. We have no business telling other countries how to live.


149 posted on 04/16/2007 11:17:41 AM PDT by WannabeTurk
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To: El Gato

It is interesting that you and I were discussing Whitman just 2 days ago!


150 posted on 04/16/2007 11:17:44 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: yankeedame
I wonder how long it will take the Dems in congress to try and use this politically?

We currently have a decided shortage of information about what has happened but, we already have a dreaded excess of opinion about what will happen.

I am sorry to hear about this tragedy and my heart goes out to all involved!

151 posted on 04/16/2007 11:18:21 AM PDT by CJ-50
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To: WannabeTurk

Head on back to du, only serious adults allowed in this forum.


152 posted on 04/16/2007 11:21:39 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: Dick Bachert; lionheart 247365
Columbine, Luby’s restaurant and the Long Island Railway shootings come to mind here.

In those and similar other events, the only one ON THE SCENE with a firearm was the killer. One armed citizen could have stopped this long before 20 + were murdered.

Actually there was a woman at the Luby's shooting in Killeen, Texas who had a conscealed carry permit in Oklahoma. She had a gun in her car, because Texas at that time didn't have a concealed carry law. If she had had the gun in her possession inside the Luby's, her parents and many of the other victims might have survived.

153 posted on 04/16/2007 11:23:20 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: jordan8
Did the police do another Columbine, hudling outside, following “procedure” while the gunman rampaged inside?

Could be, from CNN:

Police respond to reports of shots fired on the Virginia Tech campus.

154 posted on 04/16/2007 11:23:48 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TexasRepublic

From the Fox article:
A White House spokesman said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia.

“The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed,” spokeswoman Dana Perino said


155 posted on 04/16/2007 11:25:44 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: RadicalSon2
When you take God out of the school system and teach these students that we evolved from animals (and there are no moral absolutes) -— we shouldn’t be surprised when they act like animals. I would be surprised if they didn’t.

So you're saying the churches and parents have pretty much turned over all moral teaching to the school systems? I guess that makes Christianity one of the lazier belief systems going.

156 posted on 04/16/2007 11:27:28 AM PDT by Junior (Free speech is great because it makes it easy to identify the idiots.)
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To: helper; evad; COEXERJ145
VA is a “right to carry” State. State colleges, which Va TECH is, the campus cops are authorized to carry loaded weapons and have the same authority as State Police when on campus.

Yeah, those Kampus Kops sure know what they're doing.

157 posted on 04/16/2007 11:29:06 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: lafroste

Virginia Tech is a “gun free zone.”

This verifies what John Lott has always said - the people who commit mass public shootings prefer to do them at “gun free zones.”

Just last week, it was reported in the news that this school is a “gun free zone.”

This week, a guy came by and shot and killed 21 people.

This is a good argument against gun control. Most areas in Virginia allow law abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns, and those areas are very safe. The people who do these kinds of mass public shootings prefer “gun free” areas, where their victims are unable to defend themselves.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:P19IaTCRMxoJ:www.roanoke.com/news/nrv%255C21770.html+virginia+tech+gun+policy&hl=en&lr=lang_en&strip=1

The Roanoke Times

April 13, 2005

Virginia Tech’s ban on guns may draw legal fire Some people question whether the university has the authority to ban the carrying of firearms. How about you?

By Kevin Miller

BLACKSBURG - Virginia Tech’s recent action against a student caught carrying a gun to class could draw unwanted attention from groups already angry about firearms restrictions on public college campuses.

Tech’s ban on guns dates back several decades.


158 posted on 04/16/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by grundle
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To: All

Serious question.

The shooter attacked two buildings, one a dorm. What was the subjects taught in the other building? He went across campus to get to that building, indicating that he probably had some sort of reason to target it.

Anyone know what the function of the second building was?


159 posted on 04/16/2007 11:34:07 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Wasn’t it an engineering building? I think I heard that mentioned somewhere posted previously.


160 posted on 04/16/2007 11:37:04 AM PDT by EX52D (Proud to have served our country...)
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