Posted on 04/16/2007 9:09:11 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
Rudy must be stopped
By Joseph Farah
In case you hadn't noticed, Rudy Giuliani is leading all the polls in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.
This is scary to me.Given the likelihood of Hillary Clinton winning the Democratic nomination, Americans like me would have no choice. We'd be completely disfranchised from the presidential election. We would be morally prevented from voting for either major party candidate.
The good news is there's still time to stop Rudy.
My objections to Rudy are hardly confined to the issue of abortion. In fact, besides our shared passion for the New York Yankees, I can think of precious little on which I agree with Giuliani. But let's examine his extreme position in favor of killing unborn babies for any and every reason imaginable.
Giuliani began his campaign for the presidency by attempting to moderate his position on the life issue. He told nationally syndicated radio host Sean Hannity he favored parental consent laws, he opposed public funding of abortion, he opposed partial-birth abortion, he favored the appointment of strict constructionists to the U.S. Supreme Court.
All of this was meant to tickle the ears of soft-headed Republicans. It was meant to portray Giuliani as something other than an extremist, a zealot, the same so-called "Republican" who refused to support a moderate Republican candidate for governor of New York in favor of Mario Cuomo.
Giuliani even suggested his positions on the abortion issue had been consistent all along – that he was not modifying his stances in an effort to attract pro-life voters.
But, in this age of the Internet, there is just no hiding past positions on issues.
Indeed, Rudy has been consistent – consistently pro-abortion.
While saying he is personally opposed to abortion and thinks we should discourage it, he advocates every imaginable incentive for women to have them – discouraging laws requiring women to see ultra-sound images of their in utero babies before crushing their skulls, discouraging any cut in taxpayer funding of abortions and describing this hideous, abominable procedure as a "constitutional right."
I don't believe Rudy Giuliani is really personally opposed to abortion. I don't think he cares a whit about unborn babies. And, even if I am misjudging his heart, it really doesn't matter what he thinks. What matters is what he does, how he acts.
What would you think of someone who said he personally opposed slavery, would never own a slave himself, but fought fervently for the right of others to own slaves.
Would you believe that person is really opposed to slavery? Would you care that he was "personally opposed"? Would you grasp that this person was trying to have it both ways on one of the most crucial moral issues men can possibly ever face?
Here's what Giuliani said in 2000 on he subject of banning partial-birth abortions: "I would vote to preserve the option for women."
I believe that was the real Giuliani. That was a reflection of his heart and mind on this issue. He would preserve the option for women to kill their babies even at the very moment of delivery – when the child is "viable" in every sense of the word. This is a position even more extreme than the one taken by the muddled thinkers who gave us Roe v. Wade.
This is why I can never, under any circumstances, cast a vote for Rudy Giuliani as president, no matter whom he is running against.
He's unfit. He's immoral. He's got no standard of right and wrong guiding him. His positions are indecent, disgusting and abominable.
If he can't be trusted on a relatively simple issue of life and death, he can't be trusted on anything in my book.
We still have time to ensure that we have a real presidential contest in 2008. We still have time to ensure that Republicans offer us an alternative to Hillary Clinton in 2008. We still have time to find an alternative to Rudy Giuliani in 2008.
Let's get busy. We've got our work cut out for us. It's time to jump off this Giuliani bandwagon.
Take the pledge with me: "Under no circumstances will I cast a vote for Rudy Giuliani as president, no matter whom he is running against."
Isn’t this the guy who runs the same article about suitcase nukes every 6 months or so as ‘news?’
When it comes down to a vote, Giuliani will get the votes of people who would vote for anyone but Hillary/Obama.
If you look at Rudy's stances, and decide you honestly disagree with him and don't want to vote for him, I respect you.
However, if you're screaming "All folks who think like me will never vote for any baby-killing, gun-grabbing, homo-loving cross-dressing liberal scumbag and if you disagree you're a blankety-blank-blank liberal scumbag who doesn't belong here" -- you're a joke.
If you believe you've been given the power to determine who can and who can not be "conservatives", you're a joke.
If you've not been here long enough to remember the Buchannanites, then trust me. The 'peasants with pitchforks' angry flame style of political debate is a failure every time it's tried.
Joseph Farah: Why I can't vote for Bush
"under no circumstances, will I allow myself to vote for George W. Bush for president of the United States."
Garbage.
Most of the goals are the same however election scenarios change and there are conservatives who are a pragmatic bunch and agree that winning is goal #1 in trying to accomplish things.
Who can win. That's the debate.
The big difference between us is the level of priority that folks place on the abortion issue. I frankly think it's overrated, however we'll be finding out shortly.
I did this in the case of GHWB & Bob Dole, & GWN, although I had, and have, significant disagreements with all three.
In the case of Rudy, though, I see very little daylight between his positions and those of the Dems. So, why should I vote for him? Let the Dems install these awful policies and take the blame. Let the Rs understand that THEY WILL NOT WIN ELECTIONS BY DRIFTING LEFT.
Give America a choice.
If you are correct.. add Madame President to the lingo. Anyone republican can beat Hillary, except Rudy.
Aren’t there always people that feel, or actually are, disenfrachised, in every election?
Agreed.
Nope.
It *is* that political chum bucket, WND.
You are spot on. All of these purists do not ever put forth in their posturing, who will fight the WOT most effectively. If the answer to that topic was Hillary, then I would vote for her. I want to win (kill or convert all the terrorists) the war on terror. End of argument!
Is it like a sporting match where you simply do whatever to insure the home team wins? Do you really like the guy's positions. Or, is it that upon being challenged with the facts people are just digging their heels in because they have a "never surrender" type of attitude.
"I don't get it."
“Rudy will be the nominee. Get used to it.”
“The real loons are the idiots who run around promoting liberals like Rudy Giuliani to be the GOP nominee.”
Well said.
I’m still trying to decipher the logic in: “We’ve got to work to elect a liberal candidate so we don’t have a liberal president.
Here’s one in its native habitat, calling to its fellow `neo-conservatives’. http://www.holoweb.com/cannon/commons.htm
On top of that, the sacrifice of those who died in Iraq will have been in vain if Bitch takes charge.
I don't believe either of these will occur if Rudy is elected. That ENOUGH for me.
” Anyone republican can beat Hillary, except Rudy.”
cONGRATULATIONS! yOU WIN THE “SILLIEST POST OF THE DAY” award.
Policies, not personalities and not parties, are what I am interested in. If the Rs & Ds are so close that it doesn’t matter who wins, then I won’t vote for either.
However, I will watch Rudy and see if he “grows” any on the campaign trail.
Meantime, Tancredo will get my vote if he’s running by the time I get the chance, or Thompson. I’d even vote for McCain over the Dem candidate. Reluctantly, of course. Rudy is the only one I would have to search my conscience for before I could pull the lever for him.
So, if say, 15% of the conservatives feel like me, is Rudy actually ‘electable’? Maybe we need to make a stand to make a point to our fearless ‘leaders’: DO NOT RUN LEFT!!!
Thanks for reposting my remarks.
Its always good to see the truth being spread about Free Republic.
Now go take a nap.
If you consider yourself someone able to define who gets to be a "real conservtive" or a "real republican", maybe you won't care for what I'm going to say.
Rudy is a 'conservative'. He's socially liberal, politically conservative.
A very large, perhaps majority, segment of conservatives are socially L, politically C.
Therefore, supporting Rudy is a no-brainer.
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