Liberal professor asking for advice

H-Teach (a network for those teaching history at the college level ^ | April 12, 2007 | Chris Erickson

[BradyLS]

This letter is polite academe-speech for: “Boys, we got a live one! Get a rope an’ a judge, cuz’ we’re gonna have a hangin’!!!”

[chuckles]

I tried as hard as I could, but can't help myself. Here it comes, God help me........

Purdue? Isn't that where nappy headed ho's come from?

I'm truly sorry, it just came out. I will resign my shock jock position immediately.

[mcvey]

Great Answer and thanks Chesley.

McVey

[mcvey]

Wow!!!!

[chuckles]

Purdue, Rutger’s,.... they all look alike.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Did you really send that to her?

[Publius Valerius]

Indiana University

Just as a slight clarification, she's a professor at IPFW, not Indiana University (Bloomington).

[paltz]

One more thought:

Jim Crowe Laws are the antithesis of a capitalist society. It was not the private sector who were enforcing Jim Crowe Laws but THE GOVERNMENT. If anything, they hurt businesses and it was simply another way for government to control and regulate how businesses operated...very marxist/Dem party in nature.

[chesley]

You’re more than welcome. It ain’t much, but we’ve all got to do what we can.

Maybe one day one of us will break into the underdeveloped brain of a liberal and start him/her on his/her growth into a human being.

Probably not, though. But we do what we can.

[Kevmo]

bump for later reading

[mcvey]

Thank you, Freepers.

These are some great responses. When I have time, I monitor these threads. I will be posting more when I see something that is . . . liberals behaving badly even for liberals.

Thanks again,

McVey

[Rick.Donaldson]

I suppose telling the professor to “Eat S—t, and die” isn’t PC, right?

[pitinkie]

From "Spencer,Thomas" Sent Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:37 pm Subject RE: Difficult situation in survey Hello all -- I'm with Susan, my fellow Trinity University alum, on how you shouldn't be "grading your student's political opinions." However, you do need to make sure that he's making a factual case. I've had my own problems on that score this week. I just got finished grading 160 freshman history papers. It's been a hard week. The book I had them read was John Crawford's _The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell: An Accidental Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq_. I then had them write a paper about it. It's a fascinating and well-written book that tells the story of a college student who was a soldier in Iraq for 18 months in 2003 and 2004. After serving for nearly two years, he comes back to a very different world. His wife has left him, he's addicted to valium and he finds the adjustment to life at home very difficult. It's a touching tale and one that I felt my students need to become familiar with given current events. Last spring I used Colby Buzzell's _My War: Killing Time in Iraq_ for a similar purpose,although I asked a very different question. Anyway, here's the question I had them tackle: Write a 4-6 page essay with an introduction, body, and conclusion that at least answers the following questions: Who is John Crawford? What kind of experiences does he have in Iraq? How do these experiences affect him? What does the title of the book mean? During the Vietnam War era, there were many large protests against the war. Why do you suppose there aren't similar protests against the Iraq War today? Does Crawford's book provide any insight into this last question? I got back a very nice set of papers and I think my assignment achieved its objective: to make students think about war and what we're doing to a generation of American soldiers. A lot of students admitted in their papers that they hadn't thought about what the war was doing to our soldiers and what the experience was like at all. Here's the scary part: about 1/3 of the papers in answering the part of the question about the lesser number of protests of the Iraq War said something like this: "The major difference between the Iraq War and the Vietnam War is that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Therefore, our war against Iraq was entirely justified." Wow. I was floored by the number of my students who believed this. That's one heck of an historical error, eh? Now, they were middle school students (isn't that scary?) back in 2003 and apparently believed what Bush said back then. However, if you remember, even he used a lot of weasel words and tried to be weaselly in how he "suggested" the connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda. He kept insisting that Saddam had "terrorist ties" but wouldn't say Iraq was behind 9/11. After the war, Bush repudiated the connection entirely and even refused to admit he'd made such a connection. My goodness, I had to write so many times on these papers comments like "What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Even President Bush says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11." Today as I returned the papers I had a "special comment" moment and said this: "Apparently many of you believe that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. That is false. The President and Vice President did suggest this before the war, although it was an unsupported claim, just as accurate and supported as their claims about WMDs. However, even the President and his administration have completely backed away from these claims - and had by the summer and fall of 2003. However, most of you were just starting high school by then and, with the war now declared over, probably paid no attention to this belated retraction. Nonetheless, I do understand why you think this. It would make the Iraq War much more reasonable. It would provide a reasonable justification for the war. That's why people are so frustrated by this war now. All of the justifications provided by the administration before the war have been disproven. This claim is false, categorically false. This isn't a debatable point or a controversial view that I hold. The assertion that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 in any way, shape or form, is false." I felt bad but felt it was my duty to correct the historical record on this. I told some of them that they looked like I'd just killed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. What followed was a pretty detailed discussion about this in one of my classes. It was a pretty shocking thing for me. It does go to show that you can teach with current events. Anyway, I tried my very best not to grade them on their opinions about the Vietnam War or even the Iraq War but I did point out they were making a big historical error by making this positively false claim. Sincerely, Tom Spencer -- Dr. Thomas M. Spencer Associate Professor of History Northwest Missouri State University

[pitinkie]

What? Let me try to fix it!

[pitinkie]

From “Spencer,Thomas” Sent Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:37 pm Subject RE: Difficult situation in survey Hello all —

I’m with Susan, my fellow Trinity University alum, on how you shouldn’t be “grading your student’s political opinions.”
However, you do need to make sure that he’s making a factual case. I’ve had my own problems on that score this week. I just got finished grading 160 freshman history papers. It’s been a hard week. The book I had them read was John Crawford’s _The Last True Story I’ll Ever Tell: An Accidental Soldier’s Account of the War in Iraq_. I then had them write a paper about it. It’s a fascinating and well-written book that tells the story of a college student who was a soldier in Iraq for 18 months in 2003 and 2004.

After serving for nearly two years, he comes back to a very different world. His wife has left him, he’s addicted to valium and he finds the adjustment to life at home very difficult. It’s a touching tale and one that I felt my students need to become familiar with given current events. Last spring I used Colby Buzzell’s _My War: Killing Time in Iraq_ for a similar purpose,although I asked a very different question.

Anyway, here’s the question I had them tackle: Write a 4-6 page essay with an introduction, body, and conclusion that at least answers the following questions: Who is John Crawford? What kind of experiences does he have in Iraq? How do these experiences affect him? What does the title of the book mean? During the Vietnam War era, there were many large protests against the war. Why do you suppose there aren’t similar protests against the Iraq War today? Does Crawford’s book provide any insight into this last question?

I got back a very nice set of papers and I think my assignment achieved its objective: to make students think about war and what we’re doing to a generation of American soldiers. A lot of students admitted in their papers that they hadn’t thought about what the war was doing to our soldiers and what the experience was like at all. Here’s the scary part: about 1/3 of the papers in answering the part of the question about the lesser number of protests of the Iraq War said something like this: “The major difference between the Iraq War and the Vietnam War is that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. Therefore, our war against Iraq was entirely justified.” Wow. I was floored by the number of my students who believed this. That’s one heck of an historical error, eh?

Now, they were middle school students (isn’t that scary?) back in 2003 and apparently believed what Bush said back then. However, if you remember, even he used a lot of weasel words and tried to be weaselly in how he “suggested” the connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda. He kept insisting that Saddam had “terrorist ties” but wouldn’t say Iraq was behind 9/11. After the war, Bush repudiated the connection entirely and even refused to admit he’d made such a connection. My goodness, I had to write so many times on these papers comments like “What did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Even President Bush says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.”

Today as I returned the papers I had a “special comment” moment and said this: “Apparently many of you believe that Iraq attacked us on 9/11. That is false. The President and Vice President did suggest this before the war, although it was an unsupported claim, just as accurate and supported as their claims about WMDs. However, even the President and his administration have completely backed away from these claims - and had by the summer and fall of 2003. However, most of you were just starting high school by then and, with the war now declared over, probably paid no attention to this belated retraction.

Nonetheless, I do understand why you think this. It would make the Iraq War much more reasonable. It would provide a reasonable justification for the war. That’s why people are so frustrated by this war now. All of the justifications provided by the administration before the war have been disproven. This claim is false, categorically false. This isn’t a debatable point or a controversial view that I hold. The assertion that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 in any way, shape or form, is false.” I felt bad but felt it was my duty to correct the historical record on this.

I told some of them that they looked like I’d just killed Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. What followed was a pretty detailed discussion about this in one of my classes. It was a pretty shocking thing for me. It does go to show that you can teach with current events.

Anyway, I tried my very best not to grade them on their opinions about the Vietnam War or even the Iraq War but I did point out they were making a big historical error by making this positively false claim. Sincerely, Tom Spencer — Dr. Thomas M. Spencer Associate Professor of History Northwest Missouri State University

[Sam Cree]

Hi professor.

The student is absolutely correct that in a free country, a man, or a group of men, should have the freedom to associate with whom they wish, to do business by choice, rather than through coercion.

That laws have been passed in America mandating otherwise (Civil Rights Act) is not cause for celebration, but for sorrow. Not because a correction was made, but because a correction was necessary. Our founding fathers knew well, and stated on more than one occasion, that a free country could not last without a virtuous people. It turned out that we lacked virtue in race relations, therefore we lost the freedom to relate racially as we pleased.

The irony in all this is that current civil rights advocates continue to press for legislation that will relieve the individual of responsibility for his own life while giving that responsibility to the government. As American individuals become accostomed to less and less responsibility, they will inevitibly become less responsible, and the state will be required to take an ever greater share of responsibility for everyone’s lives. Eventually our freedom will disappear altogether from this mechanism alone.

Of course, this doesn’t even take into account that leftist political philosophy, which is championed by an entire political party, the Democrats, gives responsibility for our lives to the state by design.

[geopyg]

“Universities are full of ideas that push the limits.”

I was googling and found a similar question from a website from 1962:

“I need help. I have a student that thinks Negroes should be allowed to drink from the same drinking fountains as us. What should I do?”

[GatorGirl]

Thanks but I’d mark myself off a point for the typo and a point for the extra question mark.

I love editing liberal spew—I should try my hand at a complete edit of a book like Michael Moore’s if I could bear to read it.

I could be like the Weird Al Yankovic of conservatism....sans the music......

[GatorGirl]

Actually, I did not, as I don’t know how to post to that site, but mcvey is welcome to post it for me!

[Paulus Invictus]

She knocked down two of my favorite books, the PC Histories of America and Islam! Dang! She cannot be serious! (but then again, she’s a born again liberal prof, more’s the pity for her students). Both books are excellent, true books that should be assigned to every student in every college and they should be asked to report on both.