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Potential organ donor was wrongly declared brain-dead
LA Times ^ | 12 April 2007 | Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber

Posted on 04/12/2007 6:27:57 AM PDT by shrinkermd

A man whose family agreed to donate his organs for transplant upon his death was wrongly declared brain-dead by two doctors at a Fresno hospital, records and interviews show.

Only after the man's 26-year-old daughter and a nurse became suspicious was a third doctor, a neurosurgeon, brought in. He determined that John Foster, 47, was not brain-dead, a condition that would have cleared the way for his organs to be removed, records of the Feb. 21 incident show.

"It kind of blew my mind," said the daughter, Melanie Sanchez, "like they were waiting like vultures, waiting for someone to die so they could scoop them up."

Foster, who had suffered a brain hemorrhage, died 11 days later at Community Regional Medical Center in Fresno. By then, Sanchez said, his organs were not viable for donation.

The apparent close call is the second in recent months to raise questions about whether, amid a national organ shortage, doctors might be compromising the care of prospective donors. Law enforcement authorities in San Luis Obispo County are investigating whether a transplant surgeon tried to hasten the death of a 26-year-old patient last year by ordering high volumes of pain medication.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: brain; cultureofdeath; death; geneticcanibalism; ghouls; organdonor; socializedmedicine
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Time to reinstate the Hippocratic Oath.
1 posted on 04/12/2007 6:27:59 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

He’s Truly and Sincerely dead............


2 posted on 04/12/2007 6:30:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: shrinkermd

I bet this happens more than you would think. I wonder Doctors in ERs earn commissions on organs obtained?


3 posted on 04/12/2007 6:32:07 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isnt "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: shrinkermd

They are hurrying the process up. Why take the time to starve someone to death when you can just call them brain dead and get the goodies quicker?

What a sick society we have become!


4 posted on 04/12/2007 6:32:39 AM PDT by Homeschool Christian Mom of 5
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To: Homeschool Christian Mom of 5

There are some who want to see everyone’s organs ‘in the pool’ and see to it that you would have to opt out of the program.

When the State takes over health care, your best interest will NOT be the best interest of the State. And with them paying the bills, they make all the rules.


5 posted on 04/12/2007 6:35:08 AM PDT by weegee (I'm waiting to exhale. The Supreme Court has ruled that CO2 is pollution.)
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To: weegee

This is why I DO NOT check the organ donation box when I renew my driver’s license.


6 posted on 04/12/2007 6:37:23 AM PDT by joeystoy
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To: joeystoy

I’m not a checkbox organ donor either. I’ve never trusted the system and to much God playing.

My wife has orders to give them my organs when she is satisfied I’m brain dead.


7 posted on 04/12/2007 6:39:24 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: shrinkermd

Tis Only A Flesh Wound.

No You're Brain Dead.
So Lay Down - We Want Your Organs!


8 posted on 04/12/2007 6:41:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Red Badger

He’s feeling better actually... he thinks he’ll go for a walk..


9 posted on 04/12/2007 6:44:00 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: DogBarkTree

“I wonder Doctors in ERs earn commissions on organs obtained?”

No. No physician in the US earns a commission for anything like this. It would be a felony, rightfully so.


10 posted on 04/12/2007 6:44:14 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: DogBarkTree
I bet this happens more than you would think. I wonder Doctors in ERs earn commissions on organs obtained?

No and no. However, organs are "harvested" routinely from patients who are openly acknowledged not to be brain dead. The process is called "non beating heart procurement." In this situation, patients who are severely injured, but not brain dead, are taken with the consent of the family to the OR. The ventilator is turned off with procurement surgeons standing by. When the patient is pronounced dead, the organs are harvested.

I am not making this up. It is "legal" and it happens all the time. I have seen it. In fact, I have been pressured to participate.

11 posted on 04/12/2007 6:44:31 AM PDT by outofstyle
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To: rbmillerjr
That sounds like a good plan.

It's sad that by the time the guy was dead, his organs were not usable. But we can't kill people for their organs, which is what declaring someone dead when they are not amounts to.
12 posted on 04/12/2007 6:45:22 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: shrinkermd

“Time to reinstate the Hippocratic Oath....”

This died with the advent of the AMA and the FDA - both have become evil tools of the Drug Cartels. This is not to say that individuals, doctors, nurses etc in the medical community are evil or corrupt - many truly care about the patients they treat, and are in the business to help people be well. I do not believe that the Drug Cartel, the AMA or the FDA care about any of us or our health - they are after the money to be milked through the system into their gruby, greedy, dirty hands and pockets.


13 posted on 04/12/2007 6:46:36 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: shrinkermd; outofstyle

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


14 posted on 04/12/2007 6:48:08 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: rbmillerjr

Same situation we have here. My husband and I both believe in organ donation and want to donate our organs, but ONLY when the other has determined that the patient is truly brain dead.


15 posted on 04/12/2007 6:48:46 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: DogBarkTree
I doubt doctors do these things intentionally, but my doctor friends have told be point blank: “Never pre-declare your willingness to be a organ donor!” If you wish to do so, advise your next-of-kin, but putting it on file in the medical system will ensure that if your life cannot be easily saved, it won’t be. That’s just human nature; letting you die “at least helps someone else.”
16 posted on 04/12/2007 6:49:40 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( ISLAMA DELENDA EST!)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Neither the AMA or the FDA had much to say about the abandonment of the Hippocratic Oath. The demise occurred after 1973 and Roe vs. Wade; prior to this SCOTUS decision medical schools had the oath as part of the graduation ceremony.

After this, the medical schools changed the oath more and more until now, in many schools, it has scant resemblance to the original Hippocratic Oath.

17 posted on 04/12/2007 6:51:57 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: outofstyle

Kinda like abortion .... teach women they have a “right to choose” to kill their babies in utero so they aren’t inconvenienced, then “science” can use the dead babies for research in stem cells. It’s all the same in my view.


18 posted on 04/12/2007 6:52:41 AM PDT by redlocks322
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To: joeystoy

Me neither.

I refuse to do so not only because I might not be “truly and sincerely” dead but because everyone makes big bucks off this process except the donor and his estate. Thats one reason they were standing around like vultures.
Do I want to be an organ donor? Not until the medico’s do a little donating...like they USED to do when organ donation first started.
[Yeah I know...the “cost of harvesting...” How much does a cooler and a bag of ice cost?]


19 posted on 04/12/2007 6:52:43 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: Condor51
An even more appropriate Monty Python skit.

MAN: Hello. Uhh, can we have your liver?

MR. BROWN: My what?

MAN: Your liver. It's a large, ehh, glandular organ in your abdomen.

ERIC: [sniff]

MAN: You know, it's, uh,-- it's reddish-brown. It's sort of, uhh,--

MR. BROWN: Yeah,-- y-- y-- yeah, I know what it is, but... I'm using it, eh.

ERIC: Come on, sir.

MR. BROWN: Hey! Hey! Stop!

ERIC: Don't muck us about.

MR. BROWN: Stop! Hey! Hey! Stop it. Hey!

MAN: Hallo.

MR. BROWN: Ge-- get off.

MAN: What's this, then? Mmh.

MR. BROWN: A liver donor's card.

MAN: Need we say more?

ERIC: No!

MR. BROWN: Listen! I can't give it to you now. It says, 'in the event of death'. Uh. Oh! Ah. Ah. Eh.

MAN: No one who has ever had their liver taken out by us has survived.

20 posted on 04/12/2007 6:55:15 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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