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There are a great many cases of paternity in America which are a modern variant of impressment and peonage.
1 posted on 04/10/2007 1:22:00 PM PDT by Quick or Dead
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To: Quick or Dead
"men used DNA to break paternity."

uh... nope. they used DNA to show their innocence. THEY didn't break paternity - can't break what ain't there!

2 posted on 04/10/2007 1:24:21 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Quick or Dead

Unless the mom was Anna Nicole, then the guys are lining up claiming the kid is theirs and they are thrilled to be a father.


3 posted on 04/10/2007 1:25:03 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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I have to agree.
If a man can prove by DNA that he is not the father, he should not be listed on the birth certificate, and should be under no obligation to support a child that is not his.
The mother should then go after the ‘real’ father for support.
Contact Maury :) he’ll help you find your babies Daddy.


4 posted on 04/10/2007 1:27:32 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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the fundamental truth in many cases — that the man is not the father and should not be obligated to pretend he is.

And there you have it.

5 posted on 04/10/2007 1:28:14 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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When courts can hold a man liable for more alimony and child support than he even earns, then men ought to be allowed legitimate defenses like "the kid ain't theirs."

I personally know a man who committed suicide under those circumstances, while his wife took vacations with her new boyfriend and her discarded husband's alimony and support checks.

6 posted on 04/10/2007 1:28:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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Its a matter of justice and fundamental fairness. The only exception a court could make is if the man had an on-going parental relationship with the child since I am of the view love and the child's welfare should override mere biology. But in all other cases, a man shouldn't be forced to pay child support for a child he never fathered. Its just plain wrong.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 04/10/2007 1:35:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"It would be just as arbitrary to hang the responsibility of supporting the child with those professors," he said.

Touche.


9 posted on 04/10/2007 1:36:52 PM PDT by Maceman (Scratch a progressive, find a misanthrope.)
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If the child has come to know the husband as their father, it’s incumbent on the man to step up and continue a personal relationship with the child, and provide financial support.

I love it when men of small raisins whine about this. Step up and be a man!


10 posted on 04/10/2007 1:37:53 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Quick or Dead

I also call it legalized extortion and larceny.


11 posted on 04/10/2007 1:38:02 PM PDT by nhoward14
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Laws were passed to reward the feminazi man-haters by making men miserable. They have done just what they were supposed to do.


20 posted on 04/10/2007 1:44:47 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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We have a case here in New Mexico where the devoiced wife used the DNA of her adult child to create a fictional child. The devoiced husband was forced by the state to pay child support for seven years. He was finally able to get in front of a judge that would fairly hear his case. The judge then ordered the x-wife to produce the child that was supposed to be seven. She got an 11 year old to come in off the street to pose, as the child the Judge didn’t buy it.


28 posted on 04/10/2007 1:50:41 PM PDT by Rogle
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I’m of two minds on this. If the “father” finds out he is not the actual father and then divorces his wife, then he should not have to pay support. If on the other hand he discovers that he is not the father and continues the marital and parental relationship, he is in effect accepting the childs paternity and adopting it as his own. If he then divorces his wife some years later, he should have to pay child support.


33 posted on 04/10/2007 1:54:54 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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“No explanation can fill the hole in a child’s heart where a daddy ought to be” -bumper sticker of mine.

Guys shouldn’t be obligated to continue paying, if the family is separated, but if they’ve assumed the role of a father, IMO it’s their responsibility to continue in that ‘fatherhood’ role. Doesn’t matter what kind of woman was involved, or what circumstances were available to get a guy into the relationship, it is NEVER the child’s fault.


48 posted on 04/10/2007 2:04:43 PM PDT by highnoon (Stop global whining)
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His bill would allow men to bring forward DNA evidence at any time to prove they are not obligated to pay child support.

This bill should be law in every state. Even common law has to make way for technological advances. It did for firearms, it can for genetic testing.

60 posted on 04/10/2007 2:17:38 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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Paternity/DNA tests should be mandatory in all child custody cases.

If they didn't father the child, they are not the father and should be under no obligation to pay.

If the state's position is that sperm donor=supporter, then they should be obliged to prove that a given man is the sperm-donor in question.
64 posted on 04/10/2007 2:20:40 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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But, but, it’s for the children, doncha’ know?


77 posted on 04/10/2007 2:30:13 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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I could tell you some stories from Child Support Court. I have worked many cases there. Many men just sign the paternity affidavit even though everyone else is telling them to get the DNA test first. Many times, the mother has been doing the wild thing with every guy and his brother, and when she gets knocked up, she will pick the best of the bunch to name as the father. Some times she just goes down the list until some lucky guy either tests positive or signs his life away. I can think of one in particular where the mama picked a bright looking kid from high school who was going to college on a football scholarship. She probably wishes that he had tested positive every time he signs a new NFL contract. The real dad was probably a crackhead dropout . My least favorite dad was the minor who was upset over having to pay child support for one kid because he was living with the mother of another of his kids, and had at least two other mamas who would probably be hitting him for support, too.(remember, he was a minor-under 18)


105 posted on 04/10/2007 2:48:12 PM PDT by yawningotter
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This whole thing is based on English common law and dates back to the days when it was impossible to determine paternity.

The whole concept is anachronistic.

132 posted on 04/10/2007 3:05:10 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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Image hosted by Photobucket.comback in the 90's, a guy who's life was ruined by paying support for a kid that wasn't his walked into the welfare office here and murdered the women working there, then killed himself.
143 posted on 04/10/2007 3:10:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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They should call this form of slavery “Whore Support”.


145 posted on 04/10/2007 3:11:19 PM PDT by montag813
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