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'Duped dads' fight back in paternity cases
The St. Louis Post Disgrace ^ | 04/10/2007 | Matt Franck

Posted on 04/10/2007 1:21:59 PM PDT by Quick or Dead

JEFFERSON CITY — David Salazar is what many would call a "duped dad."

Repeatedly, courts have ordered him to pay child support for a 5-year-old girl, even though no one — not a judge and not the child's mother — claims he's the father.

In the eyes of many, Salazar, of Buchanan County, is the victim of a law that traps men into the child support payments, even though they can prove they're not the dads.

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That kind of statement angers Sen. Chris Koster, who is sponsoring the Missouri bill.

Koster, R-Harrisonville, said he knew children would be harmed as men used DNA to break paternity. But he said the current law mocked justice by pretending that a man is a father even when the evidence proves otherwise.

His bill would allow men to bring forward DNA evidence at any time to prove they are not obligated to pay child support.

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Linda Elrod, director of the Children and Family Law Center at Washburn University, said she was saddened by cases where DNA evidence was used to challenge paternity. She said the cases not only cut off support payments but often ruptured a mature parental bond.

Others, such as Jacobs, want to set a two-year deadline for using genetic tests to challenge paternity. She said courts also needed the discretion to weigh the quality of a parental relationship and the best interest of a child.

But Koster said such arguments by law professors ignored the fundamental truth in many cases — that the man is not the father and should not be obligated to pretend he is.

"It would be just as arbitrary to hang the responsibility of supporting the child with those professors," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: atmdaddy; babydaddy; dna; itsforthechildren; missouri; paternity
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To: HitmanLV

What a jerk, you think a man who is NOT the biological father and complain about being forced to pay child support are “whining”? You are beyond contempt!


21 posted on 04/10/2007 1:45:20 PM PDT by calex59
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To: HitmanLV
If the child has come to know the husband as their father, it’s incumbent on the man to step up and continue a personal relationship with the child, and provide financial support. Step up and be a man cuckold!

Sorry, but I've seen too many cases where Mr. A and Mrs. A split up, Mr. A pays support to Mrs. A who now is living with Mr. B. The support is for the child A-let who is not really A-let but B-let. Mr. B is the father, gets the benefits of being the father, and Mr. A gets soaked.

Now for the child's sake who is accustomed to Mr. A, visitation should continue, but not payment.

The State needs to find the real biodad, but usually they have as much interest in doing that as OJ does of finding the 'real killer.'

22 posted on 04/10/2007 1:45:28 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: HitmanLV

Not a problem IF AND ONLY IF, the surrogate father KNOWS that he is not the dad when he assumes the parental role. However, if the mother LIES and through FRAUD represents the child as his when it is not, then the surrogate father has been duped and should have legal recourse.


23 posted on 04/10/2007 1:46:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: HitmanLV

“If the child has come to know the husband as their father, it’s incumbent on the man to step up and continue a personal relationship with the child, and provide financial support.”

Pathetic.


24 posted on 04/10/2007 1:48:55 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

When they did a paternity study in England, I believe they found out 25% of the babies were not the children of the thought of spouse.

In other words, there’s a lot of dads out there thinking they are fathers when they are not.


25 posted on 04/10/2007 1:49:52 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: HitmanLV

“Step up and be a man!”

They wouldn’t have to step up if the Lady’s would keep their legs closed.


26 posted on 04/10/2007 1:50:27 PM PDT by Domicile of Doom (Hey boy why is there dirt in my hole? I dunno Boss.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Good question. I don't think we want to deny a child the love of a man he or she sees as their father if the man acts towards them like a father. Because human beings have managed to elevate love above mere biology. But in other cases where a man has no relationship with the child and isn't the father - is he still obligated to provide parental support? Justice and common sense say NO. When there is clear fraud perpetrated by one party upon the other, the party committing the fraud should not be allowed to benefit from the fruit of their crime. Period.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 04/10/2007 1:50:31 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Quick or Dead

We have a case here in New Mexico where the devoiced wife used the DNA of her adult child to create a fictional child. The devoiced husband was forced by the state to pay child support for seven years. He was finally able to get in front of a judge that would fairly hear his case. The judge then ordered the x-wife to produce the child that was supposed to be seven. She got an 11 year old to come in off the street to pose, as the child the Judge didn’t buy it.


28 posted on 04/10/2007 1:50:41 PM PDT by Rogle
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To: calex59
What a jerk, you think a man who is NOT the biological father and complain about being forced to pay child support are “whining”?

Only when the child in question has come to know and love him as their father.

29 posted on 04/10/2007 1:52:59 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: No.6
Now for the child's sake who is accustomed to Mr. A, visitation should continue, but not payment.

I think both should.

30 posted on 04/10/2007 1:53:39 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Caravaggio
She should also go to jail for fraud. Many times the mother actually KNOWS who the father is but still permits the non-father to pay. This should be CRIMINAL

The REAL father is probably a bum with no job or ability to pay child support. Might as well hook someone who has the ability to pay.

31 posted on 04/10/2007 1:54:08 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: HitmanLV

What on Earth for?


32 posted on 04/10/2007 1:54:22 PM PDT by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Duncan Hunter in 2008! http://www.gohunter08.com))
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To: Quick or Dead

I’m of two minds on this. If the “father” finds out he is not the actual father and then divorces his wife, then he should not have to pay support. If on the other hand he discovers that he is not the father and continues the marital and parental relationship, he is in effect accepting the childs paternity and adopting it as his own. If he then divorces his wife some years later, he should have to pay child support.


33 posted on 04/10/2007 1:54:54 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: taxcontrol
However, if the mother LIES and through FRAUD represents the child as his when it is not, then the surrogate father has been duped and should have legal recourse.

No. I think if the child comes to know the man as the father - even if he is not - he should still be responsible for maintaining their personal relationship with the child, as well as providing financial support. The real dad should provide financial support, also, so each pays less than they would normally pay if they were the only financial provider.

34 posted on 04/10/2007 1:55:11 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Happens a lot. I’ve got a friend in a similar situation, but he’s sticking it out so far. The kids are his in this case, but unemployed ex-wife refuses to marry her unemployed live in boyfriend because she’ll lose the alimony.

He’s keeping his legal obligations to pay, but has a negative income currently because of the ex and can’t find a way out as the courts won’t give him custody because the ex-wife isn’t doing anything illegal.


35 posted on 04/10/2007 1:55:41 PM PDT by Domandred
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To: flashbunny

What’s pathetic is an adult male who thinks his relationship ends with a young child who knows and loves him as daddy would want to end that relationship because of no fault of the child.

There’s nothing ‘conservative’ about that.


36 posted on 04/10/2007 1:56:14 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Domicile of Doom
Maybe he was a sucky husband. I know in Planet Freeper, we like to keep things very simple, but in reality when a spouse strays, it’s often because of deficiencies in both spouses.
37 posted on 04/10/2007 1:57:19 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
If the child has come to know the husband as their father, it’s incumbent on the man to step up and continue a personal relationship with the child, and provide financial support.

Hmmm. Since the kid's a minor, the money's not going to him. It's going to the mother in trust for the kid, and the mother is someone who has been revealed is dishonest. Why would you trust her with anything you cared about? Seems like throwing good money after bad.

If the cuckold feels like continuing to see the kid, that's up to him. It's not the kid's fault, but it's not the man's, either. Removing any obligation to honor the fraud of the mother would make some kind of relationship easier, I'd guess.

38 posted on 04/10/2007 1:57:51 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: HitmanLV
If he has an established relationship, yes. But if the mother is just trying to pawn off the child onto a man who isn't the father either biologically or legally - then the man shouldn't be forced to pay child support. Its one thing if he acknowleges the paternity through his actions. Its another thing if he's duped into raising a child he has no certainty that is his own offspring.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

39 posted on 04/10/2007 1:58:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

“The only exception a court could make is if the man had an on-going parental relationship with the child...”

Circumstances such as that, I doubt there would be a court case as love trumps all, but in this insane World of today...who knows.

I did read of a fellow whom was raising a child with his wife he thought his only to find out the child wasn’t, and turned rabid towards his wife and the child. I can understand his bewilderment and anger, but hope he realized the relationship he had with the child was truly more important than his anger and emotional betrayal.

Never read anything further of the story, so don’t know what happened.


40 posted on 04/10/2007 1:58:12 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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