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Thousands of Canadian-trained doctors ply their trade in the U.S., study finds (1 in 12 in US!)
CP via Canada.com ^ | Monday, April 09, 2007 | Helen Branswell

Posted on 04/09/2007 6:37:07 PM PDT by GMMAC

Thousands of Canadian-trained doctors ply their trade in the U.S., study finds

Helen Branswell, The Canadian Press
via Canada.com, Monday, April 09, 2007


TORONTO -- One in nine trained-in-Canada doctors is practising medicine in the United States, says a study published in Tuesday’s issue of the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

If Canadian-educated doctors who were born in the U.S. are excluded, the number is one in 12 - and the study suggests that luring back some of these Canadian physicians would go a long way towards solving the country’s doctor shortage.

While they admit the exodus has abated a bit in the past couple of years, the authors say the impact is as if two averaged sized medical schools in Canada were doing nothing but training doctors for the United States.

There are only 17 medical schools in this country.

“I must admit that I was sort of knocked over by the numbers. They were a lot bigger than I’d anticipated,” said one of the authors, Dr. Walter Rosser, chief of the department of family medicine at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ont.

There were 8,162 Canadian-educated doctors providing direct patient care in the U.S. in 2006, said the study.

Nearly half of the Canadian-educated physicians in the U.S. graduated from three medical schools - McGill University (24.7 per cent), the University of Toronto (15.2 per cent) and the University of Manitoba (eight per cent).

Canadian-educated specialists practising in the U.S. in 2006 represented nearly 20 per cent of the Canadian specialist workforce.

Of the Canadian doctors working in the States, 1,023 were in rural practices. Many parts of rural Canada are in dire need of doctors and finding a way to draw some of those people back home would be a major bonus, the study suggested.

“I still believe that there’s a lot of opportunity to get some of these folks back,” said Rosser, who noted he’s recently recruited a husband-and-wife team of Canadian doctors from Ohio, where they have been practising.

“Generally they’re very unhappy,” he said of Canadians in family practice in the U.S. “In fact, they’re much more unhappy than family doctors here.”

“And so it seems to me they’re ripe for the picking.”

And luring back Canadian doctors home from the U.S. doesn’t pose the ethical quandaries associated with recruiting doctors from developing countries, a form of medical “poaching” that has been widely criticized but which is still widely done by developed countries.

The president of the Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada said political authorities have to figure out what’s behind the exodus to the U.S. - and do their best to stem the tide.

“We need to further understand the reasons for this ongoing loss and find ways to encourage these physicians to practise in Canada,” Nick Busing said in a guest editorial in the journal.

Rosser and his co-authors suggested provincial governments ought to consider offering incentives to attract Canadian-educated doctors back to Canada.

The former head of the division of family medicine at the University of Toronto, Rosser had become tired in the 1990s of watching his students head south of the border. In 1997, he recalled, all eight family medicine graduates in one program went to the United States to practise.

It was a time when governments were talking about restricting where new doctors could set up shop and doctors were feeling disenchanted and underappreciated, he said.

In talking with some colleagues in the U.S., Rosser realized with their help he could tap into the American Medical Association’s physician masterfile, which lists all doctors living in the U.S. From the data set, they could tell which medical school each doctor graduated from as well as the doctor’s nationality.

Looking at patterns from 1995 onward, they could see that the return migration of Canadian doctors outnumbered those leaving for the first time in 2004 - 262 left and 317 returned.

Rosser believes the tide has turned, though he acknowledges Canada will always lose some doctors - in particular specialists looking to work in world-renowned centres of excellence elsewhere. But changes in policies at the provincial level have made practising in Canada more attractive, he said.

“I think we’re in a much better position and I think we’re going to find the doctor shortage is going to reverse fairly quickly, within three or four years, hopefully.”

© The Canadian Press


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: braindrain; healthcare; hmo; socializedmedicine
Self-evidently begging the time-honored question:

'Socialism - so, how do you like it so far?'

1 posted on 04/09/2007 6:37:13 PM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 04/09/2007 6:38:29 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Canadian doctors are payed peanuts in Canada compared to what doctors are paid in the US. Plus the Canadian medical system sucks. Of course the talented Canadian doctors will come to the US for much higher salaries and much better medical system.
3 posted on 04/09/2007 6:50:41 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: GMMAC

The sad thing is that I (a mid-level manager at a pharmaceutical company) make more than the average Canadian phyician.


4 posted on 04/09/2007 6:51:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: GMMAC
I know two (nice, qualified, family-oriented) Canadian docs here in NYC.

Guess what? Lots of their patients fly down from Canada to see them!

Socialism drives both the providers and the customers out of the country!

5 posted on 04/09/2007 6:52:54 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: GMMAC
What? The doctors are leaving the Utopia of Canadian socialized medicine?

/s

6 posted on 04/09/2007 6:53:42 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: GMMAC

This is very interesting. I knew about the exodus of Canadian nurses because I have an aunt who has been an RN for about 40 years. She has worked with an increasing number of nurses from Canada.


7 posted on 04/09/2007 6:56:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: GMMAC

The problem is, since we have the system, its going to be next to impossible to get rid of it. But when anyone suggests even a two-tier system, the liberals go into hysterics.


8 posted on 04/09/2007 7:22:52 PM PDT by oakcon
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To: GMMAC

The doctors are “voting with their feet”.


9 posted on 04/09/2007 7:41:23 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: GMMAC

All three doctors at the practice I go to are ex-Canadians.


10 posted on 04/09/2007 7:49:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Including my RN sister-in-law now in Wilmington NC.

When she arrived, her pay was at roughly the same hourly rate as in Mississauga, where she'd left, but in US$ vs. a then under $.65 CDN$

Plus: $3,000 in moving expenses, $7,000 signing bonus, a couple of grand bonus for the nurse who bird-dogged her down there (all US$) free HMO, green card legal expenses split & a subsidized apt. on the hospital campus @ about 40% of what she'd pay for similar accommodation up here - sweet!

Be an even better deal for me though as she doesn't drink or smoke - LOL!
11 posted on 04/09/2007 8:28:06 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

Say ‘Aah’, eh.


12 posted on 04/09/2007 9:53:34 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: GMMAC

Many an American has taken their medical training in Canada. Whose to say that the Dr’s that are going south were not just returning home.


13 posted on 04/10/2007 10:13:44 AM PDT by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: styky
"Who's to say"? - the article's 2nd paragraph.

The better question - to which I don't know the answer - is what percentages of spaces in our medical schools are occupied by students of respective foreign nationalities since Canada is virtually the only nation in the western world not imposing formal quotas based upon citizenship.

Opening up places for virtually all qualified Canadian students coupled with an optional program to waive all fees & provide a living allowance in return for agreeing to a military-like period of national service for 5-7 years after graduation, would wipe out any Doctor shortage over night.

Our Armed Forces have done this for years & never had any similar shortage but, apparently it's a bit too much like common sense!
14 posted on 04/10/2007 10:32:50 AM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
We have done ourselves a great disservice by placing limits on the number’s that are “allowed” to go to medical school.

We also convince immigrants to come here who cannot practice without upgrading their medical degrees and then limit to a handful the numbers that can take part in the residencies programs.

We are set up to be a defeatist system and them we wonder why it doesn't work.

15 posted on 04/10/2007 11:50:10 AM PDT by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: styky
No need to wonder:

The Essence of Liberalism: Embracing Life's Losers ~ Michael Medved, townhall.com, March 21, 2007
16 posted on 04/10/2007 12:07:33 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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