Comparision of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

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[grundle]

Comparision of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)

Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.

[shrinkermd]

I don't know but if one worries about the White, Black educational gap one should first read THIS in respect how to artificially close the gap by changing the cutting score on tests. Then read THIS on a sophisticated discussion of IQ racial and sexual differences.

None of what this author (an academic who uses an AKA for political reasons)or Hernstein and Murray's Bell Curve are new or iconoclastic findings. They have been discussed in obscure academic journals for decades. Political correctness and the Marxists in Academe'have prohibited their wide, public dissemination.

Someone posted on FR Murray's recent article on "Jewish Exceptionalism" in Commentary.

[Bon mots]

If you Google “IQ and The Wealth of Nations” you will find the book by Professor Lynn and the Finnish guy - who’s name I’ve forgotten, but who is the father of the Finnish Prime Minister.

There is quite a lot of material on this subject at places like Le Griffe du Lion, etc.

[woofer]

Gee, all this talk about IQ’s and here I just finished working with a guy named MENSA, grandson of the founder of the Mensa Society. His IQ was not any more impressive than mine (135).

[docbnj]

People who go for more education are generally higher in IQ in the first place. You can’t raise IQ effectively just by educating people!

Anyway, even if you are not convinced that there is such a thing as native intelligence, then let’s consider culture. The Moslem culture must be pretty terrible to come up with results like these. I think that is the case.

I have met some rather intelligent Moslems. One, in particular, was also a very likeable and tolerant person. Some of the others were paranoid creeps. People differ.

[docbnj]

135 is very high. You can look up what percentile that is, and you will be impressed.

Remember, you are working with a bell curve. As you get toward the tails of the curve, the numbers of individuals are small.

[Verginius Rufus]

One thing the Arabs did not invent was "Arabic numerals" (which they got from India).

It isn't right to equate Arabs with Muslims. Not only are there some Arab Christians, but the vast majority of Muslims in the world are not Arab.

There are more Muslims in the countries of the Indian subcontinent (about 425 million) than there are in the Arab world. The country with the largest number of Muslims is Indonesia (about 213 million).

If you take the core Arab area (the countries of the Arabian peninsula, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, and Libya, and include the Arabs of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, the total is about 198 million. If you add the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco), that's another 75 million, and the "Arab" parts of the population of the Sudan and Mauretania, that's about 17 million more, making a grand total of about 290 million.

The World Almanac's list of speakers of major languages divides Arabic into its dialects--if you take the 13 most-widely-spoken forms, the total number of speakers of Arabic is 181 million.

That's still a lot more than the number of Jews in the world, but a far cry from 1.4 billion.

[brotherWesUpNorth]

congrats Judah - Now just think if they added in the accomplishments of Ephraim / the northern tribes.

[Alter Kaker]

It has been known for at least 100 years the average IQ below the Sudan is 70 or less.

Sounds like pseudoscience to me. There are virtually no schools anywhere in Sudan outside Khartoum -- I don't know, but I suspect that might have something to do with recorded IQ scores.

I hope I'm wrong, Shrinker, but your posts strike me as yet another hopeless attempt to legitimize racial hierarchies.

[Alter Kaker]

You can’t raise IQ effectively just by educating people!

That's just not true. In fact, you can raise your IQ dramatically just by taking a lot of IQ tests. IQ is a notoriously poor measure of intelligence, not that the idea of innate intelligence has much validity to begin with.

The Moslem culture must be pretty terrible to come up with results like these.

I don't think that there is a "Muslim culture" -- how can you possibly compare places as disparate as Nigeria and Indonesia? I do think that most countries in the Islamic world have insufficient education systems, insufficiently diversified economies, and I'd agree with you that some Islamic cultures place too little emphasis on secular education. There are also places like Pakistan, where a relatively small elite places an enormous value on education, but where formalized education of any kind is essentially unavailable to a majority of the population.

[BroJoeK]

I notice you had some trouble above spelling the word “comparision.” Is that a sign of your own rapidly failing IQ?

As a certified doctor of IQ, might I suggest you eat a smarter pill? You remember those I’m sure, from the old joke? They taste really bad, but they make you a lot smarter real quick.

I have to eat them myself regularly — otherwise, I’d forget which way is up! (it’s a joke!)

[Joe 6-pack]

"Additionally...Jews who have been awarded Nobel prizes live in the former Soviet Union and the developed nations of the West, whereas the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims live in the developing world."

Now there's a real chicken and the egg conundrum for ya'....

[ozzymandus]

A lot of the Jewish prize winners were German citizens or German-born. Does that figure into your calculations?

[Alter Kaker]

Now there's a real chicken and the egg conundrum for ya'....

Not really. Countries are rich or poor for a variety of reasons, having to do with culture, geography, access to resources, and even random dumb luck (in the sense that a great man can make or destroy a country).

I don't think that South Korea was desperately poor 50 years ago because Koreans were innately stupid, any more than South Korea is wealthy these days because Koreans are innately intelligent.

[mjolnir]

Sounds like pseudoscience to me. There are virtually no schools (in Sub-Saharan Africa)... I don't know, but I suspect that might have something to do with recorded IQ scores.

I agree, Alter Kaker. Having dealt with many of below 70 IQ, as well as with people of "sub-Sudanese" ancestry as well as people native to it, experience simply doesn't bear out such claims; pretty much anyone who's taught children or young adults this side of Michael Levin will agree. How to weigh the impact of culture and other "nurture" externals is basically a guessing game. In "Jewish Genius", the markers Murray chooses are far too blunt to achieve the subtlety of perception that is needed for his conclusion: "In the last two decades, it has also been established that obvious environmental factors such as high income, books in the house, and parental reading to children are not as potent as one might expect."

I should go without saying that reading to children is not the same as teaching children to read. In point of fact, Chinese and Japanese (and Jewish)parents prize and therefore inculcate intellectual virtues in their children which are accessible to all of us and make a far larger difference than "a few points". In fact, given the gap in devotion to intellectual virtue, as someone who has taught children of virtually all races, I'm surprised the gaps in performance aren't larger.

[Beckwith]

You’re arguing against yourself — most amazing circular logic I've ever seen.

[dead]

In your face, Islam!

[Alter Kaker]

You’re arguing against yourself — most amazing circular logic I've ever seen.

How's that?

[Joe 6-pack]

"Not really. Countries are rich or poor for a variety of reasons, having to do with culture, geography, access to resources, and even random dumb luck (in the sense that a great man can make or destroy a country).

I don't think that South Korea was desperately poor 50 years ago because Koreans were innately stupid, any more than South Korea is wealthy these days because Koreans are innately intelligent."

Countries are rich or poor based primarily, if not exclusively on the relative amount of freedom their peoples enjoy. The two Koreas are a perfect case in point, as were East and West Germany.

Many nations in Africa are riddled with valuable natural resources yet can not feed their own people. My own state of Louisiana was far and away the wealthiest state of the antebellum south. It's endemic corruption and cultivation of dependency in the post-reconstruction era has left it amongst the poorest states in the entire US.

[Alter Kaker]

Countries are rich or poor based primarily, if not exclusively on the relative amount of freedom their peoples enjoy.

I think that's part of the story, but it's not anything close to the whole story. Just for starters, look at Equatorial Guinea and India. India has been a multi-party parliamentary democracy for 60 years, whereas Equatorial Guinea is one of the least free, most repressive countries on earth.

Yet Equatorial Guinea is the world's wealthiest country, measured in terms of per capita GNP, and India is, despite recent growth, still very poor. In this situation, the difference is natural resources, but there can be any number of things at play.

[beeber]