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The Mormon Advantage
Townhall.com ^ | 4/5/2007 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 04/05/2007 5:42:47 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Mitt Romney is riding high this week after his victory in "the first primary," which consists of raising cold, hard cash to compete: more than $20 million in the first quarter, $5 million more than his closest contender, Rudy "Lay off my wife!" Giuliani. John McCain came in a lackluster third with $12.5 million.

Romney's campaign benefited from two distinct donor networks, according to media accounts: Wall Street and Mormons. GOP front-runner Rudy, struggling with one of those weird media freak shows erupting around his wife, Judith (her alleged participation in future Cabinet meetings and former puppy killings), must be a little envious on both counts.

Why is it that all the Dem candidates are still married to their first spouse, while among the current crop of leading GOP contenders, the only guy with just one wife is the Mormon?

Truth is, I don't think this is just an accident. There's something about Mormons the rest of us ought to pay attention to: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do much better than almost any other faith group at sustaining a marriage culture -- and they do this while participating fully and successfully in modern life. Utah is above the national average in both household income and the proportion of adults who are college graduates.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; judith; mccain; romney
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To: Liberty Rattler
When it comes to intervention by the supernatural, (IE God(s), spirits, demons, etc.) the burden is on you to show how that works.

But that's not what I asked. Do you think it's rational to believe everything is by accident?

141 posted on 04/05/2007 9:42:01 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
There is plenty of room for discussion regarding president Kennedy, but I truly resent when I read in the history books, the fear of the Catholic church and the pope which was an issue during his campaign.

Romney is no more attempting to force his faith upon Americans by seeking the presidency than Kennedy was atttempting to foist Catholicism upon our nation. Really, it's laughable. I suggest we stop all this nonsense.

143 posted on 04/05/2007 9:46:01 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Giuliani is a democrat in Republican drag!)
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To: Tribune7
If you want a more in-depth reply, you need to define your question more clearly.

To what are you referring to, that might be “accidental” or purposeful?( and if you mean purposeful, to what purpose do you mean? etc.

“Everything” is a rather ambiguous term.

144 posted on 04/05/2007 9:49:36 PM PDT by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I was simply inviting thier comment - Id be interested in hearing yours as well


145 posted on 04/05/2007 9:52:51 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Liberty Rattler
“Everything” is a rather ambiguous term.

The existence of matter and life.

146 posted on 04/05/2007 9:53:13 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

I have proof that he is not honest. He said he was a practiced hunter his whole life. And yet we discover today that he only hunted two times in his life.

He’s also not being honest about his positions on important issues.

He is being deceitful. Do you consider that to be honesty?


147 posted on 04/05/2007 10:03:07 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: Tribune7

This is getting quite a ways from whether a Mormon should be president or not.

I will not endeavor to make conjecture on the nature of “matter or life” here.

But, I’ll stick with what I said earlier, “ Those who want to believe in supernatural forces, the burden is on them to show how they work.”


148 posted on 04/05/2007 10:03:42 PM PDT by Liberty Rattler (Don't tread on me!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
If you heard about them then they are not entirely secret are they?

To me a rite like baptism by immersion is replete with deep meaning. Similarly temple worship is also heavily infused with many teachings but they are basically the same teachings we teach in our public meetings. If you ever talk to the LDS missionaries or attend our services, what you will find is that what we talk about there is the same things we learn there. The major difference is that we believe that every temple worthy lay member must live in some respects like a priest, and similar to a priest in other faiths, the temple is the vehicle where we aspire to live up to these priest like ideals.

With that picture in your mind can you imagine how distasteful it is to rant on about other faiths and their clergyman? Many clergyman, rabbis, etc. wear symbolic religious attire, but yet they are not mocked. Also, imagine how distasteful it sounds if the rites and practices of holy men of other faiths were routinely mocked in the public square. Is this not a double standard then for the treatment of my faith?

Anyway, a very strong point for keeping our personal worship private is that it forces the temple worshiper to figure it out things for him or herself. It forces the worshiper to find references which jump out in the Bible relating to the teachings. And it is great way for the worshiper to rely on prayer and build a relationship with God and Jesus Christ to help understand. I am amazed how much more deeper I learn about God and Jesus Christ every time I attend. To me the things I keep private are pearls of wisdom which Jesus Christ said not to throw away casually, lest they be trampled.

149 posted on 04/05/2007 10:06:57 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: TAdams8591

I see your point, but I am simply stating that he may not be as pure and wholesome as some people think. I’m just saying that even though he may appear that way, we should look at the man’s actions in government. He has been a supporter of the liberal agenda for decades. He’s even admitted that he’s suddenly (i.e. run for the Presidency) changed his viewpoints on abortion, etc.

How can anyone dismiss his past actions and think that this guy is genuine? Honestly, I just don’t understand how that happens.


150 posted on 04/05/2007 10:07:30 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: Liberty Rattler
If Romney's the GOP nominee, I'll vote for him.

What one considers to be "cult" is really a matter of outlook and values.

And it is more reasonable to "believe all the fables in the Legend, and the Talmud, and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind" as Francis Bacon said

151 posted on 04/05/2007 10:08:28 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: jatopilot99

It’s a route answer which he has given before many, many times. Previously, he would state that he hunted “infrequently” during the course of his life. He just muffed it and dropped that one word “infrequently”.


152 posted on 04/05/2007 10:11:23 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: LeGrande

Ok, let’s explore this.

You say that you are a former Mormon. Have you had your name removed from the Church membership roles?

If not, then why not? If so, then please enlighten us on how you went about removing your name? And why did you decide to leave the church?

>> Where does this intense anger come from? Just what is it about the Mormon Church that makes you so upset?

I am neither angry nor upset. In fact, I really enjoy this forum where we can all voice our opinions/arguments in a respectful manner. It’s an opportunity for all of us to learn if we are open to it.


153 posted on 04/05/2007 10:27:09 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: AnalogReigns

>>Mormonism like any other non-Christian religion

Who made you the arbiter of my soul?

Why do you sit in judgment on millions of people?

Jesus Christ is my judge and you are not Jesus Christ.

Jesus specifically commanded for his followers not to judge others.


154 posted on 04/05/2007 10:28:38 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: nowandlater

Oh, it couldn’t be because he wants to give the impression that he is pro-gun? It couldn’t be possible that his statement was part of a political calculation? nowandlater, we’re talking politics here. The man is trying to play the Great Game, and he’s starting to flounder.

My advice to him would be to put aside all the games and just tell the truth. I would have more respect for him if he just came forward with his true views.


155 posted on 04/05/2007 10:30:19 PM PDT by jatopilot99 (Mitt Romney is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-euthanasia!)
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To: snoringbear

>>a one year Mission

Its a two year mission...


156 posted on 04/05/2007 10:30:48 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Angry Write Mail

Angry Write Mail,

If you are really an ex-Mormon then please relate to me in a respectful manner how a true believer would view the similiarities of the early teachings and practives Christianity and to teachings and practices of the Mormon faith?

Also tell me how a true believing Mormon would account for the fallacy of DNA evidence of the Tower of Babel (Tower Babel says that all DNA is derived 4000 years ago from Syria) and the current DNA found in American Indian relating to ancient Isreal?

Also tell me how a true believer would account for Satan being described as a fallen angel and taking 1/3 of the host of heaven with him?

Also, please relate to me as a true believer why the literal translation of God in Genesis is Eloheim or the plural form of God with both sexes (male and female) emphasized in Hebrew? What is the true believer’s explanation for this if we take the translation literal?


157 posted on 04/05/2007 10:34:00 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: DelphiUser

Or 1.5 years for the ladies


158 posted on 04/05/2007 10:34:46 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I finally see the dawn arrivin' I see beyond the road I'm drivin' Far away and left behind)
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To: Angry Write Mail

>>Believe what you want, you sorry little person.

What an amazingly condescending sentence!

BTW, He’s right; you have no idea what you are talking about. I am quite sure I know more about Buddhism than you do about Mormons. I was not going to respond to you because your comments were so over the top, only a loony tunes would believe you.

BTW Have a nice day and God Bless


159 posted on 04/05/2007 10:35:27 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: goldstategop
Evangelicals might not cotton to Mormon theology but they find plenty to admire about Mormons' commitment to traditional values and family.

Many Baptists and evangelicals admire how they practice their faith. The theological divide is insuperable between the two. But Mormons do have a strong marriage culture. It is no doubt a good influence on communities where they live.

Personally, I do prefer stability in family life in a president. It raises my comfort level with that person, provided there is nothing strange or unwholesome. And the Romney's could hardly be a more wholesome couple.
160 posted on 04/05/2007 10:36:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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