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Gang focus now on immigrants-Feds, county plan to deport criminals[LAPD]
LA Daily News ^ | 31 March 2007 | RACHEL URANGA

Posted on 04/01/2007 7:03:57 PM PDT by Dacb

As the LAPD cracks down on the city's most violent street gangs, federal and county officials have launched their own campaigns to apprehend and deport gangsters who are in the county illegally.

For the first time, federal immigration officers are tracking incarcerated gang members, and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department is creating a database of gang members who are in the U.S. illegally. The FBI is also strengthening its ties to international police agencies and hopes to create a gang intelligence center in El Salvador.

"We want to connect the dots the same way we have been doing with counterterrorism," said Robert Loosle, special agent in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles office.

"Up until now, there hasn't been the focus needed, and what we are trying to do is consolidate information-collection and -sharing efforts so that we can better address violent crime committed by gangs.

"Part of that is determining who is part of those gangs," he said. "As a result, we are looking at deportees - where they are from, how they got here and what their connections are in the U.S."

The law enforcement efforts come as the Los Angeles Police Department launches its own coordinated effort to crack down on an estimated 40,000 gang members. Violent gang crime increased 14 percent citywide last year, and more than 40 percent in the San Fernando Valley.

Although law enforcement officials struggle to quantify the number of illegal immigrants who are gang members, some say nearly half of some gangs - including Mara Salvatrucha, one of the city's most violent - could be in the U.S. illegally.

Gang experts say there are no studies to corroborate the figures, although they estimate that the number is closer to 10 percent.

Ask suspect's status?

Given concerns about illegal immigrants who are gang members, some groups have called for revocation of Special Order 40, the Los Angeles Police Department policy that prohibits officers from asking a suspect's immigration status.

But officials say the policy - implemented nearly three decades ago to win the trust of witnesses in heavily immigrant communities - is still a necessary part of the city's crime-fighting efforts.

"Without it, victims of crime would be reluctant to come forward," said Lt. Paul Vernon, an LAPD spokesman. "This never precluded officers from arresting criminals and does not today."

But others say using federal immigration laws to deport gang members could help solve the city's chronic gang problem.

"If you can't inquire into somebody's legal status, how are you going to combat these gangs coming out of Mexico and Central America?" said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a conservative group that sued the LAPD last year challenging Special Order 40.

In the pending lawsuit, the group maintains that the LAPD is spending taxpayer money to enforce a harmful policy. It cites a case in which officers were prevented from asking the immigration status of a Mexican national motorist, who later committed two robberies and tried to rape a woman in front of her 5-year-old son.

"There is an antagonism to federal immigration laws by city and police officials and (Special Order 40) is a way to undermine them," Fitton said.

But Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Chief William Bratton - who in February unveiled an aggressive anti-gang plan that included naming the city's most sought-after groups and their members - said they will stand by the order.

"The mayor agrees with Chief Bratton and every police chief before him that requiring our police officers to double as immigration agents will result in fewer arrests, prosecutions and convictions," said Matt Szabo, a Villaraigosa spokesman.

From February 2005 through January, immigration officials say, more than 1,000 gang member suspects were deported from California as part of a nationwide effort to combat gangs.

"One of the most significant threats to this region and across the country is the threat of gang violence," said Jim Hayes, L.A. field office director with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "We want to know who in the jails are members of street gangs."

ICE has doubled the number of agents working in the Los Angeles County jail system since last year, and in February began identifying illegal immigrants who are gang members.

During the first month of the effort, 59 of 290 illegal immigrants were classified as gang members.

"Our goal is to see that everyone that we identify is removed," Hayes said.

Sheriff Lee Baca, who oversees the jails, said the immigration process is an important crime-fighting tool.

"It's important to recognize there's a difference between an illegal immigrant and an illegal immigrant who commits a crime," Baca said. "We believe an illegal immigrant who is a gang member should be deported."

Identifying gangsters

Up until now, law enforcement agencies have been reluctant to estimate how many gang members are illegal immigrants. But, like the LAPD's decision to publicly identify the city's gangs, that philosophy is being tested.

"It's a matter of real concern," said Bruce Riordan, director of anti-gang programs and operations for the Los Angeles City Attorney's Office.

"There is a significant percentage of gang members - and it's hard to quantify - that are illegal aliens. Even more importantly, there is a substantial number of hard-core gang members with prior felonies that have really committed their lives to the criminal activity of gangs."

Of the Mara Salvatrucha and 18th Street gang members targeted by court injunctions filed by the city, Riordan estimates as many as half could be illegal immigrants.

Gang experts say those numbers are far too high, but concede that immigrants and gangs are intertwined. Many of the city's oldest Latino gangs trace their roots to migrant workers or immigrants who sought protection.

In immigrant hubs like New York City, the Italian Mafia flourished. In Los Angeles, the center of gang culture, immigrants from Armenia to Russia have created their own criminal organizations.

Sense of belonging

And modern gangs like 18th Street and Mara Salvatrucha have helped create a cross-national gang with its own culture and identity that provides many immigrants with a sense of belonging.

"Being an undocumented or newly arrived immigrant is an extra risk factor," said Susan Cruz, director of Sin Fronteras, a gang-rehabilitation group that works in juvenile jails and helps illegal immigrants facing deportation. "A lot of this has to do with economics."

Cruz, herself a former gang member, said as the wave of Central American immigration has ebbed, so, too, have the gang ranks of illegal immigrants.

Now, she says, many immigrants - fearful of their status - are moving away from gangs.

"Yes, you do see quite a few that are undocumented. It's because they have no other recourse," she said. "Gangs will exist as long as society doesn't do its job. But this is really just a campaign of fear. It's timely now because there is an anti-immigrant sentiment."

Law enforcement officials say some gangs, such as the recently dismantled Fifth and Hill gang downtown, continue to recruit immigrants heavily.

At least half of the more than three dozen Fifth and Hill gang members arrested last month were Mexican nationals, police said, and many of the leaders used day laborers to run drugs.

"The newly arrived immigrants are not coming here as full-fledged gang members," Vernon said. "They become gang members once they are here."

The majority are first- and second-generation immigrants, he said. And other immigrants tend to be their victims.

"Is there a disproportionate number of immigrant youth that join gangs? It may be higher than the general population," said Tom Ward, a professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California and an expert on gangs with Central American ties.

Poverty, dysfunctional families and cultural isolation drive teens to gangs, he said. For immigrants with strong familial ties, the economic pressure of living in the U.S. often keeps them close to their families rather than straying into gangs.

Their presence in gangs is merely a reflection of demographics in L.A., which has the largest concentration of illegal immigrants in the country, officials said.

But deporting illegal-immigrant gang members - many who return multiple times - is a short-sighted solution, he said. "It doesn't get at root causes of why they get in gangs."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: 18thstreet; aliens; elsalvador; fbi; gangs; genius; illegalimmigration; illegals; la; lapd; losangeles; ms13
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Me TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO got the Hell out of there 5 Years ago, never looked back and never been back.


21 posted on 04/01/2007 9:00:26 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it!!!)
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To: FARS

Thank YOU too Fars!


22 posted on 04/01/2007 9:02:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary, if you want America finished off!)
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To: Dacb

23 posted on 04/01/2007 9:02:48 PM PDT by Gritty (We have aging white Americans, dying, shitting their pants in fear. I love it.-Prof J Gutierrez U-Tx)
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To: Plains Drifter

I have to go back once or twice a month for business. I left L A for Scottsdale last year. Now, every time I go there, my nerves are shot : )


24 posted on 04/01/2007 9:04:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary, if you want America finished off!)
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To: Gritty

R O T F L M A O !!


25 posted on 04/01/2007 9:05:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary, if you want America finished off!)
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To: Dacb; DCPatriot; All
"It's important to recognize there's a difference between an illegal immigrant and an illegal immigrant who commits a crime," Baca said. "We believe an illegal immigrant who is a gang member should be deported."

Easily the stupidest quote I've ever seen!

26 posted on 04/01/2007 9:11:30 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: FARS

Wow.

Thanks for the ping!


27 posted on 04/01/2007 9:13:20 PM PDT by Shelayne (...And though my heart is torn, I will praise You in this storm... ~~Casting Crowns)
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To: grey_whiskers
Wow, I must have skipped that one. If I rob a bank, I will choose not to use a gun. Geeze.
28 posted on 04/01/2007 9:15:56 PM PDT by Dacb (No winter lasts forever; no spring skips its turn.)
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To: FARS
"...At the very least they will act as "transporters" and spread or deliver them in an almost "invisible" fashion. Who is going to really notice Hispanic drivers or dare to profile them?..."

I will! And I live in Florida, too! ............... FRegards

29 posted on 04/01/2007 9:17:03 PM PDT by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: Jewels1091

Don't get too excited...as good as it sounds, these two bozo's are knee deep in corruption.


30 posted on 04/01/2007 10:17:13 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Dacb

Gang members are domestic terrorists, send em all to Gitmo with all of the other terrorists.


31 posted on 04/01/2007 10:20:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Dacb

LAPD hasnt changed their policy at all. LA Sheriff's Department last year quietly started deporting illegal aliens after the cycled through the county jails.

Now, you may think this is a new way forward....but Sheriff Lee Baca is actually opening up bed spaces for CA Prison Inmates to serve time in the County Jail, where he will be reimbursed by the state.....he doesnt make any money housing illegals.


32 posted on 04/01/2007 10:23:37 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: grey_whiskers

Not going to bite. No thank you. ;^)


33 posted on 04/01/2007 10:30:01 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Dacb
Is there a disproportionate number of immigrant youth that join gangs? It may be higher than the general population," said Tom Ward, a professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California and an expert on gangs with Central American ties.

Their presence in gangs is merely a reflection of demographics in L.A., which has the largest concentration of illegal immigrants in the country, officials said.

But deporting illegal-immigrant gang members - many who return multiple times - is a short-sighted solution, he said. "It doesn't get at root causes of why they get in gangs

Proof that a higher concentration of dumbasses live in LA than in other parts of the country.

34 posted on 04/01/2007 10:31:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (?El proletariado del mundo, une! - Xuygo Chavez)
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To: FARS; Calpernia; Founding Father; milford421

Bump............


35 posted on 04/02/2007 2:36:10 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Be the best you can be" says Rush Limbaugh. "Serve your fellow men" is God's plan)
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To: FARS
The gangs will not act as suicide or homicide bombers and kill themselves but will certainly provide support operations and even shoot down anyone who tries to interfere with the suiciders

The most important thing the gangs can provide is security. Safe houses in gang territory, lookouts, the willingness to start a quick riot is a raid is attempted on a safe house so as to allow terrorists to escape, etc, etc.

While gang members would not be suicide bombers, they could work as agents all over the place -- in meat processing plants, as maintenence men in buildings, etc. They can quietly go anywhere with little suspicion, gathering info, and maybe doing operations for the terrorists. Poison in the bacon, anyone? Perhaps the fuss with the poisoned pet food was a message?

36 posted on 04/02/2007 3:23:13 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Calpernia; TheOtherOne; ken21; KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; ...
Alamo-Girl

A great service that freerepublic could provide would be to establish the number of americans killed by illegals over the last four years. If it could be shown, conclusively that more americans have been killed by illegals than have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan--I think that the current immigration debate can be greatly affected.

Currently, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence as to the number of Americans killed. However, the US government is trying mightily to keep that info out of the public domain.

I talked to chief statistician for the bureau of prisons. He says they 're not allowed to keep numbers on illegal alien murders. The best they can come up with is "non residents." this includes both legal aliens and illegal aliens. ICE keeps detailed numbers for illegal alien child molesters. but nothing on illegal alien murderers.
Part of the reason for this is that most of the americans killed by illegals are american blacks. A number of radio stations out west have talked about hispanics killing american blacks. (However, the number of illegals doing the killing is unknown.) The Las Vegas station is KDWN 720 on Am dial or kdwn.com on computer.They're a Fox news station. San Francisco is 810 on the AM dial, or kgo.com on the computer. Colorado is KOA , 850 on Am radio or 850koa.com on computer.

So how would you get more detailed info?

The job could be done several ways. A federal supena could be issued to get the info. (But who has that kind of power.) A freedem of information act petition could be filed. (But a lot of state & local government records are inadequate.) Finally you could do a search of published reports nationwide of americans killed by illegals. One by doing a nexus lexus search. Another by doing a google groups search for back stories in groups and also putting a filter on the search engines for americans killed by illegals. The chief statistician for US prisons suggested that the best thing to do it is go to the library for two Directories put out by the American Correctional Association. One is the ACA Directory of Prisons. The other is National Jail & Adult Detention Directory. These give lots of info including the name staff & warden addresses & phone numbers of all the USA local state & federal prisons. Then call & ask someone at the prisons how many people in their jail are illegals wanted for murder. Probably it would be best to start with the state prisons because the most violent offenders are there. The downside here is that while you would have the truth--its likely that many prison officials would not cooperate and if they did --they would not offer anything further than a phone call. ie don't quote me on that.

So in the end I think you'd have to have a mix of verifiable methodologies. Then the info could be posted to a forum here at freerepublic or a blog. From there it might be moved up the info food chain.
37 posted on 04/02/2007 8:44:36 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
I would say that "non-resident" killers is JUST AS GOOD for propaganda purposes (our purposes) as "illegals". At most it shows that even when they screen people they are doing a bad job and letting killers in.

That's what happens when your immigration system is broken.

We could start a database of people killed by illegals pretty easily, I imagine.

38 posted on 04/02/2007 8:56:57 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: SauronOfMordor; All

You are absolutely right. Gangs are so much part of American societal weave that they become a horrrific "enemy within". And unlike the terrorists an "invisible" part of our danger.

I have a sneaky feeling that after some rather horrible event, they might well turn on the terrorists. Money only buys a cerain amount of loyalty. Specially if a gang member or their family is killed in a terrorist suicide attack.

While there are some ruthless elements like the "13" gang most of the others will back away or even oppose the terrorists at some point in time.


39 posted on 04/02/2007 1:26:12 PM PDT by FARS
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To: ckilmer

Good idea that you have.


40 posted on 04/02/2007 3:44:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Be the best you can be" says Rush Limbaugh. "Serve your fellow men" is God's plan)
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