I think you are experiencing the exact, same, type of "pc", "surrender monkey", bullschnit we are going through here.
Be safe, and keep the faith!
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Posted on 03/29/2007 8:51:40 AM PDT by Fennie
How appropriate!
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I would be curious to see what Bush would do if they had taken American soldiers.
Time to wake up :)
I got one of their albums..........
It was a nice thought though.
You have to tailor your tatics to match the mentality of the enemy you are facing, not expect your enemy will appreciate your own value system - something the west seems to have forgotten since the days of the Reconquista.
My friend is running for school committee. He recently walked into a school and noticed an art display. He remembered one piece of student art in particular, a series of images arranged like this, "Cross = Star of David = crescent & star = peace sign."
Gee, where do people get these ideas?
"I won't argue further about WWII viz a viz the relative contributions of the Russians and the US, other than to point out had the US not aided you in 1940, the war would have been over before the attack on the Soviet Union - who knows what the world would look like now. Point is, however, you were punching above your weight, in 1939 and even in 1914 (except at sea). The Russian contribution in the Great War was only to ensure what should have remained a regional Serbian/Austrian conflict turned into a world war."
None of which I have disputed.
"The UK military, such as it is, is man for man as good as anyone's. True. But, how many ships, planes and divisions have you? Fewer than you need to be taken seriously as a great power, especially as a conventional great power. Russia, China and India are more powerful, as is probably Israel. You still have a seat at the top table by American choice. Unfortunately, we are the only great Western power left."
Our country is not the same as it once was, it never will reach that level again. There is no way a nation our size could afford to sustain our position in the modern world. Our military isn't as great as it once was, but it's still good enough to work with out international friends if a job needs doing. We have more than shown that to be the case.
"I hope you're right about the majority of the British, that's certainly not the impression we get over here these days. Your media is as anti-American as the frogs and the krauts!"
Depends which paper you read.
The most read paper in the Uk, 'the sun' is extremely supportive of the United States.
The best informed paper, the times, is also overly supportive of the Unities States.
As I've said before, the left make a loud noise, but that shouldn't detract from the overall relationship our nations have.
"I understand the sentiment, but are the lives of 15 service members, who've taken the Queen's shilling after all, worth the humiliation of Britain? I would have thought you English were made of sterner stuff. No one wants their people killed, especially prisoners. But, if a power does that, then you retaliate. The deterrent to the murder of prisoners is not a diplomatic demarche, its the certain knowledge that those who do it will end up dead."
The Iranians have not (yet) threatened to kill our people. If they did, there would almost certainly be a war. The point is, we are using out past experience to end this peacefully. We did so a couple of years ago. Tony Blair has made some very tough statements on the matter, and the UK is more than prepared to do what is needed to gey out sailors home.
But for the time being, it is like a chess game, our move, and then theirs. Are we being humiliated? Yes, it certainly doesn't feel good, but to intentionally fire up these mad sons of bitches doesn't seem like a good strategy right now.
"What I'd have Britain do is callthe Iranian ambassador in and tell him the following:
1. You have 12 hours to return our people and their equipment to British Control.
2. If they are not returned by such time, you will be provided with your passports and transported home.
3. After the end of the 12 hours, the Iranian gasoline refining facilities and petroleum storage facilities are subject to destruction.
4. If any of the British hostages are harmed in any way, we will use what the Americans call "national strategic means" to ensure your government no longer troubles the earth.£"
I wouldn't disagree, but I must come back to the word realistic. There is a reason people like you and I are not in a position of power, and that is it my friend.
Paging "Mad Ivan"
lol
Do you guys not get that in your morning papers?
I'm not so sure. I suspect we will have to fight them sooner or later (unfortunately) and, while no timing is ever good for a war, we might well do it now when we have the nukes and they don't, as later when they have them as well. A whole lot fewer people overall will die if we fight now, and certainly a whole lot fewer people on our side will die if we fight now.
Ugly calculation, and hard, but true.
Still applicable! The Brits' only problem is restraining their former English-Speaking colonies (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, USA, etc.).
They're very polite and diplomatic, but once the ducks are in-a-row, the shooting will begin.
I think the schedule calls for an April 6th to the 9th kickoff. We'll all talk until then ................. FRegards
Thanks to Freeper Potlatch's graphic Ahmadi-Nutjob's disappearance can be found on the link below.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/03/here-today-gone-in-april.html
For those who have not seen any of the angry Iranian 300 Spartan movie clips, there is one at the top of the same page. http://www.antimullah.com
Have fun.
BTW, don't underestimate Iran's ability to cause harm both within the USA and Europe and at soft targets around the world.
So far incidents have been liited like sparks in Indonesia, Israel and a few (for us) remote places.
Reports that are exaggerated in my opinion but give an idea of comparative magnitude state that almost half a million "ready to diers" and "do damagers" have been set up in small cells - some family size (as families or to appear to be families).
In a matter of a couple of years, mosques,which act as operational centers have increased from around 20 in Orange County, California to some 125 at last count.
Estimates of some 40,000 suiciders, which are at most only part of the numbers claimed by Iran and its terrorist allies as to how many they have recruited and trained to blow themselves up are also overblown - in my opinion. Not all of them will go through with origiinal intents, speically when Iran comes under attack and is no longer able to carry out command and control of these people as easily.
BUT THEN, think of the death and destruction only 10% of that number could do? Four thousand attacks on shopping malls, electricity network stations etc., American business assets in other countries and so on.
We tend to think and analyze conventionaly while they plan assymetrically.
They are already moving the IRGC Passdaran paramilitary forces, well equipped as they are, into guerilla war operational mode inside Iran and out of conventional military strategy. They have been preparing for at least a decade both philosophically and materially.
Now Ahmadi-nutjob, himself a paramilitary guy is fine tuning this to suit recent events. He has his paramilitary colleagues placed in EVERY major government position throughout the country from the very top down to mid-low levels.
Then again, that is his "resistance" movement profile against invaders.
What needs to worry us are IEDs along our freeways and suicide bombers (recognizing there are ample numbers) taking out a Starbcks, a McDonalds, a school yard or busloads full of our children.
Were it not for this, we would have bombed Iran long ago to remove their meddling in Iraq. Now we are reaching a point because of nukes they will be achieving where we will have to take that risk.
Note: intel sources have reported at least six viable nuke warhead missiles inside Iran ready to go. Iran realizes they cannot go to war with a "revolver" with only six "nuclear bullets" - thus their frantic effort to produce more of the same to have reloads.
I remember seeing that. I wondered what-the-hell was going on. The goons were treating it like a pineta at some kids birthday party.
Then I found out that it was supposed to be a funeral. Funny-as-hell .......... FRegards
LOL!
I must have missed that report, but it sounds like I need to read it. Will you please give me the link to that article? Thanks!
I've been repeating these quotes I saved from Iran for about a year now to as many who would listen :
"an advisor to the new Iranian govt says his country’s objective is the destruction of the evil in the world perputated by England and the nations derived from England"
"The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils” – the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,” says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.”
Normally I was called crazy. I didnt think so then, I don't think so now
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