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Fred Thompson: Neocon Globalist
Enter Stage Right ^ | 3/26/07 | Basil Harrington

Posted on 03/29/2007 6:58:58 AM PDT by meg88

For the past few days, movement "conservatives" and GOP cheerleaders have been ecstatic that Fred Thompson, former senator from Tennessee, may form an exploratory committee to seek the GOP nomination for president. "Now we'll have a conservative in there," said one person, who, I assume, has no idea what a real conservative is.

There already are two fine conservative candidates seeking the nomination: Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo. And Fred Thompson does not even come close measuring up to them.

Fred Thompson is a neocon globalist.

First and foremost, let's look at immigration. A third-world invasion of the USA is taking place, and it is up to patriots to stop it.

As Jean Raspail taught us in Camp of the Saints, "the greatest conservative novel ever written," we can fight back and reverse the invasion, or we can watch the West be destroyed.

Although Fred Thompson is tougher than McCain and Giuliani on border enforcement, which isn't saying much seeing how they line up with Barack Obama, he had a rather lackluster record on immigration while in the Senate.

As one commentator notes: "Overall, Americans for Better Immigration gives [Thompson] a career grade of C; on chain migration, C; visa lottery, C-; reducing unnecessary visas, F; on reducing asylum fraud, C-; on reducing amnesties, D; and on interior enforcement, C+. Although he was tough on border control, he was lacking in almost every other area." [1]

Fred Thompson also supports affirmative action, and ideologically worships free trade, regardless how much it harms America. Historically, conservatives have opposed free trade, but Thompson, like others, has been "neoconned" into backing it.

He furthermore is a "fellow" at the American Enterprise Institute, one of the largest neocon think-tanks, which demonstrates where his true loyalty lies. If you did not receive the Burkean memo, the transformation of the Middle East to liberal democracy is Jacobin, not conservative. There is not a single thing conservative about the membership of AEI. They are neocon / neoliberal globalists.

Why are neoncons backing Thompson? Ideally, being ex-Trotskyites themselves, neocons would prefer a liberal candidate, like McCain, Giuliani or Romney. But they see that conservatives deplore these candidates, and now are going to try to peddle Fred Thompson, who is just socially conservative enough and just tough enough on the borders, even if it is feigned, to woo naive GOP voters. But let's hope this nefarious neocon plot fails.

Let's pray that the more real conservatives learn about Fred Thompson, the more unacceptable he will appear


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To: chickadee

I dream of a TV debate between Fred and Mrs. Bill Clinton.



You know, in February when I first heard rumblings about Fred- that was my first thought:) Talk about must-see TV. Shrill and shreiking, angry, cold and bitter..vs. calm, rational, charming and genuine. Would it get any better?


41 posted on 03/29/2007 7:22:02 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: meg88

D; and on interior enforcement

Baf-d, bad.


42 posted on 03/29/2007 7:22:26 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: meg88
Thompson is pro-affirmative action?

Evidence, please?

43 posted on 03/29/2007 7:22:56 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (A member of the Frederalist Party)
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To: MBB1984
Yes, and that is my biggest problem with him. If he is wrong on affirmative action he doesn't really get the conservative agenda of equal treatment for all and special rights for none.

I can find three votes by Fred regarding affirmative action, and it's a mixed bag:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm

Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Voted NO on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)

On the other hand, he has resisted the efforts to make gays a special protected class:

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

I'd say Fred's a wash here.

44 posted on 03/29/2007 7:23:06 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

See post 44 - evaluation of votes from the website On the Issues


45 posted on 03/29/2007 7:23:38 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: meg88

Ron Paul? Really?


46 posted on 03/29/2007 7:23:40 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: meg88
I love the way Neocon is thrown out like a racial slur when you Rudy rooters and Pat Buchanan props want to smear a viable candidate.

Neocon had a specific meaning and place once, but we are way past that now.

As to Ron Paul, if he believed in fighting the enemy I might could see backing him. But this libertarian crap about only defending our borders if attacked is just that, crap.

We have an enemy that wants to destroy us and Ron Paul wants to hunker down here and wait for that enemy to come to us ...again.

Fred Thompson has made his thoughts very clear on immigration and border security,and yes they are different now than they were 10 years ago. Hey, guess what? A lot of people felt different about the situation 10 years ago. I know I did, it's what happens when you become educated.
47 posted on 03/29/2007 7:25:42 AM PDT by Taichi (Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse)
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To: Vaquero

Ise Fred Thompson beating Hellary in Ohio, Penn. and Florida?


48 posted on 03/29/2007 7:25:50 AM PDT by meg88
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To: meg88

Fred Thompson was out of the Senate before illegal immigration hit the fan. His term was up in 2002/3.

The larger "fish or cut bait" positions on immigration came in about 2004/5. (Not that it hadn't been an issue up to that point, but not with the conservative intensity it now has.)

In short, Thompson gets to spell out his position. I'm expecting him to stake out a real fence/real enforcement type of position.


49 posted on 03/29/2007 7:25:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Who invented this idiotic word, "Neocon" anyway?

I consider it an insult by the left. It's a ridiculous word.


It IS an insult by the left. They REALLY dislike those who used to lean left, but now lean right.
50 posted on 03/29/2007 7:26:19 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: Always Right
It had been used for a long time to identify social liberals but fiscally conservatives. But since the Iraq War, liberals have twisted the word into meaning pro-War.

BEFORE Iraq they were using it in their stupid conspiracy theories to "identify anyone associated with Republicans who are connected to the Illuminati, to Bush, to Elder Bush or to the shadow government". Believe me, I have heard it all over the past few years. I'm kind of sick of the word. To me, ANY phrase like that is just another way to throw insults and fling crap at someone you don't like.
51 posted on 03/29/2007 7:26:52 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"Neocon", like the terms "racist" or "sexist", has no meaning anymore beyond "I don't like what you're saying, but I'm too stupid to know how to argue with you about it".

Maybe we can get it classfied as hate speech like saying "faggot".
52 posted on 03/29/2007 7:28:19 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: dirtboy

I don't get why anybody supports Paul and Tancredo over Hunter. Hunter isn't "perfect" to them, but he's awfully darn close to it. I really thought that Hunter would end the asperations of at least Tancredo.


53 posted on 03/29/2007 7:28:32 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: meg88

ROFL! Good news! They're getting worried now....

Run Fred Run!


54 posted on 03/29/2007 7:29:16 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: RockinRight
Oh, jeez, not another Buchanan-worshipping dolt.

The few, the proud, the perpetually angry one percent.

55 posted on 03/29/2007 7:30:46 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Hunt for Fred November)
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To: Taichi

"We have an enemy that wants to destroy us and Ron Paul wants to hunker down here and wait for that enemy to come to us ...again."

Any politician that advocates that is an idiot at the very least.

Isolationism died as a viable concept the day the first passenger air craft crossed an ocean.


56 posted on 03/29/2007 7:30:47 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I can see why some anti-war righties support Paul. There is a clear difference there. I agree with your views on Tancredo. Tancredo is a bomb-thrower, as all activists need to be, and he's won the day on the illegal immigration issue, as even McVAin had to re-evaluate his own immigration positions after getting an earful in Iowa. But bomb-thrower activists don't usually do well in a run for higher office.

But I don't see the Hunter campaign making the early traction needed to organize around the internet activists that is Hunter's core of support now. He's still my first choice, but I'm damn glad that we might have a decent fallback in Fred, because I'm well aware that Hunter is a longshot.

57 posted on 03/29/2007 7:31:50 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: meg88
a neocon

Now I know that this word used by a liberal is a way to say Jew without using the word. So would someone tell me what a neocon is to a conservative.

59 posted on 03/29/2007 7:34:12 AM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: meg88

Crabs in a barrel.


60 posted on 03/29/2007 7:34:29 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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