Charlie and Rosie Are Scum

Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 24 March 2007 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

[Congressman Billybob]

I’ve been writing for publication for 50 years. I have never before referred to a fellow citizen as “scum.” Growing up, I was taught that all human beings have worth, and that even “bad” people have some virtues. So, what could possibly make me call Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, scum?

These two people are backing an effort to recut, with Sheen narrating, an existing video about 9/11 called “Loose Change,” and distribute it through Magnolia Pictures. In addition to the sitcom actor and the talk show hostess, the other player may be Mark Cuban, an eccentric and sometimes out-of-control multi-millionaire who owns Magnolia, the Dallas Mavericks, and various other pricey baubles.

(An article on wcbs.com on 22 March, 2007, by Andrew Kirtzman, provided many of the facts for this column.)

Let’s have a look at what the original film contains. Here are two lines from the narration of that film: “If the government is lying about flight 93, is it hard to believe the rest is a lie?” And, this: “I know it's hard to imagine the government would intentionally murder almost 3000 innocent people, but once you begin to accept that possibility you can never go back to the 19 Arabs.”

Is the idea that there was no Arab attack using planes on 9/11 merely a matter of political opinion? Absolutely not. There are physical laws on such matters as high-speed impact, high temperature fires, failure of steel and other materials under such stresses. And the collapse of the two World Trade Center buildings and the outer wall of the Pentagon on 9/11, all followed those laws.

Sheen has backed this conspiracy theory in interviews. O’Donnell has backed it by reprinting the theories on her website. Cuban is backing it by saying of the film project, “we like controversial subjects.”

As a one-time physicist myself, I can follow the analysis of the hard evidence from what happened, as laid out in a book by James Meigs, Editor in Chief of Popular Mechanics magazine. Point by point he debunked the conspiracy theories about 9/11 being a US government plot to get us into war. He concluded, “It is a brilliantly patched-together stew of all kinds of misconceptions, misquotes and real mistakes about how things really worked on that day.”

So the idea that 9/11 was a vicious US plot is nonsense. I’ve spent decades writing about political nonsense without calling those who hold such views, scum. This is worse than mere politics.

Barbara Olson was an acquaintance of mine. She was a writer, and a wife and mother. She was talking on her cell phone to her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, as her hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon. My fiancee was two blocks from the WTC when the first tower fell. With thousands of others, she ran north through the smoke and debris, not knowing if she would survive.

These conspiracy nuts are spitting on the memories of those who died that day, and all who were harmed, and all of their families, and on all of America – because the whole nation was the target of those attacks.

Why would any Americans stoop to such a cruel and dishonest position? As usual, history books provide an answer. During WW II, there were a handful of people who hated President Roosevelt so much that they bruited about, and apparently believed, the conspiracy theory that Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance. They believed he allowed it to happen, in order to bring the US into WW II.

The current conspiracy theory is even worse. Hatred for the Bush Administration has led certain people, including Sheen and O’Donnell to believe that this administration murdered 3,000Americans in order to create a war. To my view, that makes Sheen and O’Donnell scum. Cuban may be in it merely for the money, not the belief, so I won’t call him scum.

Is that too harsh, or do you agree?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu He lives in the 11th District of North Carolina.

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I strongly disagree with your take on this. They should not be allowed to carry on these lies. It has been proven by tlhe last election that the lies and hate against the Bush administration led people to believe the lies and for that we lost to the liberals. Further, this kind of lying and defending the liberal lies by the media, led the clintons and his administration to commit treason in a wholesale manner by selling for campaign contributions our most secret, high tech missile technology and communication technology that has put our nation in danger. These people are more than mere scum. they are truly a serious danger to us. I don't mean to criticize your opinion but I wanted to express my feelings about your take on their lies.

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I strongly disagree with your take on this. They should not be allowed to carry on these lies. It has been proven by tlhe last election that the lies and hate against the Bush administration led people to believe the lies and for that we lost to the liberals. Further, this kind of lying and defending the liberal lies by the media, led the clintons and his administration to commit treason in a wholesale manner by selling for campaign contributions our most secret, high tech missile technology and communication technology that has put our nation in danger. These people are more than mere scum. they are truly a serious danger to us. I don't mean to criticize your opinion but I wanted to express my feelings about your take on their lies.

[Stretch]

I strongly disagree with your take on this. They should not be allowed to carry on these lies. It has been proven by the last election that the lies and hate against the Bush administration led people to believe the lies and for that we lost to the liberals. Further, this kind of lying and defending the liberal lies by the media, led the clintons and their administration to commit treason in a wholesale manner by selling for campaign contributions our most secret, high tech missile technology and communication technology that has put our nation in danger. These people are more than mere scum. they are truly a serious danger to us. I don't mean to criticize your opinion but I wanted to express my feelings about your take on their lies.

[Reaganesque]

Yes, they are lies. Now I didn't say "don't respond to them". I said they should be allowed to lie and we should expose them at every given opportunity. I do not suggest passivity here. Let them lie and then destroy them with their own words.

[Son Of The Godfather]

Agree that "scum" is too light a term.

I hope they both have a starring role in any sequel to "Team America: World Police", as I'd love to see their puppet-heads pulverized.

[pallmallman]

When our gutless leaders are finally provoked into responding in an effective, proper and devastatingly decisive way to the audacious, evil Islamofascist enemy we are facing, and when the dust finally settles, we should hold these stupid, turncoat celebrity morons to every treasonous opinion they've uttered out of their vile mouths. Treat them collectively as the seditious, treasonous, irresponsible, anti American traitors that they are. Hold them responsible for giving encouragement and inspiring the enemy. They should be branded as unpatriotic COWARDS and rendered as damaged goods insofar as their privileged, overexposed careers are concerned. They damage and endanger the fine, fighting men and women who are sacrificing their lives while in harms way with their reckless, dangerous speech. The vast majority of movie and sports celebrities of the forties willingly put their politics and careers on hold to unite in the war against our enemies during WW2. Today's repulsive celebrity cowards (for the most part) have gone out of their way to embrace the enemy. They make me sick.

[darth]

Its not just leftist nuts. I spent 2 hours on the phone yesterday with a prospective customer who seemed to be to the right of Attila the Hun. He maintained that 9/11 was a plot by the One World bunch to enslave us all and benefit Israel. I kid you not. I wonder if he will still buy from me when he finds out that I'm Jewish? No one ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of some people. I have an engineer friend at NASA who was sold the same scam by Alex Jones. I guess some people just love conspiracy theories...the farther out the better.

[montag813]

Why doesn't that airhead Hasselbeck take on Rosie on "The View" for pissing on the memory of those who were murdered on 9/11?

[dfwgator]

The political spectrum is a circle, extreme left and extreme right are really closer to each other than not.

[ronnie raygun]

I happen to enjoy Two and a Half Men, but I will not watch it again if Sheen takes this dispicable job! I have begun making personal decisions on entertainers political views. I will not purchase CD's or DVD's of artists or entertainers who give no thanks to the very nation that made them who they are. I am going to suggest we hurt them in thier pockets by showing them how much we detest thier UN American, UN Patriotic actions.

[alicewonders]

I am rapidly becoming the same way. This kind of crap just sours me on these people, I can't enjoy their entertainment anymore for thinking how stupid they are.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

The only reason I'm glad to see this is I know it's complete manure before Sheen utters the first lie.

Problem is now that many professionals and others with specific knowledge to debunk this drivel with facts are tired of constantly wasting their breath trying to inform the gullible. It's like talking to a wall. The left is trying to rush the film into this vacuum they took years to create.

[Fiddlstix]

Calling them scum is being kind in my opinion.
I've called them worse than that.

[Congressman Billybob]

What makes you think that "Freepers believe the government killed JFK?" To my view, and I think a lot of the folks here would disagree, all conspiracy theories are just a grown-up's way of avoiding his homework and investigating the facts.

John / Billybob

[Congressman Billybob]

Actually, the immortal Mark Twain fully agreed with your point. He wrote, "The only effective way to deal with a public humbug is with humor...."

John / Billybob

[ken21]

thanks.

i've never watched rosie.

but i notice that my women neighbors who do watch her, believe in her, and foam at the mouth at bush.

[Shooter 2.5]

All you have to do is read the threads. There are a lot of kooks on this website.

[Congressman Billybob]

This is the reply that I just received from Charlie Sheen. He shows himself to be an ignorant, biased, foul-mouthed "man." How sad. How telling. (Below it is my letter to him, which shows I was not provocative toward him.)

-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: mrjonze55@aol.com
>Sent: Mar 24, 2007 11:07 PM
>To: CongressmanBillybob@earthlink.net
>Cc: producer@infowars.com, efleming@cinenet.net, dahtcalm3@aol.com
>Subject: Re: 9/11, etc.
>
>Hey John-boy - I guess because I have a different opinion than you, that makes me 'SCUM'. It's called freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Being a journalist you should "probably" be able to grasp this wild and surreal concept. I will not read your trash. I will never respond to you again. I will however, leave you with this; Sad little c*nts like you continue to give credence to our fight by attacking the messenger and NOT the facts. Take a look at Building 7 for starters, you might just learn something. Quit being part of the problem and try to be part of the solution. The people are AWAKE John. Accept this as fact. They are awake and quickly loosing interest in mud-slinging senile fear mongers like you. We no longer cower to your type, Mr. Esq. We relish in your pathetic attempts to force feed us the swill you will ultimately drown in. Spend a little less time licking Bill O'Reilly's anus, and a little more time DOING YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK!!!! cs
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CongressmanBillybob@earthlink.net
>To: Mrjonze55@aol.com
>Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 5:33 PM
>Subject: re: 9/11, etc.
>
>
>Dear Charlie,
>
>I liked your work in "Major Leagues" and a few other venues, but you really should stay away from subjects you don't know from bupkus.
>
>Here's the link to the discussion of an article, "Charlie and Rosie are Scum." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806136/posts The article will appear this week in print in a newspaper printed in your backyard.
>
>I hope against hope that you will pay attention to it, and cease denigrating people who were killed and injuried in 9/11, their families and friends, and all Americans (who were the targets, after all).
>
>John Armor, Esq.
>________________________________________________________________________
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[grey_whiskers]

Why didn't you tell me you used to be a physicist?

Cheers!

Full Disclosure: I just read the response from Charlie Sheen to you...who are the other people he cc'd on that email?

[Stultis]

Tell Mark Cuban what you think of his potential involvement in this "enterprise":

mark.cuban@dallasmavs.com

If he does end up being involved in this, I'd say some enterprising Freepers need to show up at Maverick games to pass out something along the lines of a Don't Support 9-11 Denial flyer.