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EU birthday to mark 'new phase' (EU at 50).
BBC ^ | Saturday, March 24, 2007 (GMT)

Posted on 03/23/2007 5:57:01 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

Berlin's Brandenburg Gate
Berlin is seen as a symbolic venue for the EU party

European Union leaders are due to meet in the German capital, Berlin, for the 27-nation bloc's 50th birthday party.

Chancellor Angela Merkel will use the celebrations to relaunch the debate on the EU's stalled constitution, rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005.

A declaration to be issued in Berlin will include a commitment to place the EU on a renewed basis within two years.

Correspondents say it will paper over deep divisions among the 27 EU members over the bloc's future direction.

"We, the citizens of Europe, have united for the better," the draft Berlin declaration says, hailing some of the EU's achievements over the past 50 years, including open borders, the common market and the euro, and an end to Europe's Cold War divisions.

We are united in our aim of placing the EU on a renewed common basis before the European Parliament elections in 2009

Berlin Declaration excerpt

The BBC's Oana Lungescu in Berlin says there is no explicit mention of the most divisive issues; future enlargement to admit Turkey and the Balkan nations, and the EU constitution.

Just weeks before the French presidential elections, and faced with stiff opposition from the Czech Republic, Poland and Britain, Chancellor Merkel has chosen the vaguest of terms, our correspondent says.

"We are united in our aim of placing the EU on a renewed common basis before the European Parliament elections in 2009," the statement says.

But a poll by a British Euro-sceptic think tank, Open Europe, suggests that three quarters of Europeans would like a referendum on any new treaty giving more power to the EU.

'Great achievements'

According to the poll, carried out in all 17 EU countries, 41% of respondents said the union should have fewer powers and that more decisions should be taken at a national or local level.

Anniversary coin
This two-euro coin has been minted to mark the 50th anniversary

While the "Berlin Declaration" will cite the euro as one of the great achievements of the EU, a majority of citizens in the eurozone want to go back to their old national currencies.

There was majority support for keeping the euro in only six of the 13 euro member countries, according to the poll results.

Respondents' top priorities were to establish clear fixed limits on the powers of the EU, and to reduce the EU's trade barriers against developing countries.

According to another poll, conducted in several European countries and the United States, most people believe the EU will still be around in 50 years from now, but expanded to Turkey and even Russia.

However, less than one third of those polled think trans-Atlantic relations will be much better in 2057.





TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: berlindeclaration; eu; euat50; europe; europeanunion; federaleurope; treatyofrome; use

1 posted on 03/23/2007 5:57:03 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

This is NOT good.


2 posted on 03/23/2007 5:57:49 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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3 posted on 03/23/2007 5:58:15 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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""[They], the citizens of Europe," (The Berlin Declaration).

"[They] the People of the United States" (The United States Constitution).


United States of Europe.

4 posted on 03/23/2007 6:02:37 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
(The draft Berlin Declaration).
5 posted on 03/23/2007 6:03:24 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: NoGrayZone

I have said before the EU is an enemy waiting to declare itself. With the ever widening streak of anti-Americanism making its mark in Europe, the coming together of the EU is not going to be very good for us or our relationship with our European "allies." If I had a wish it would be to see an Anglo-alliance, but unfortunately that would not be very popular in Britain. At the very least we should leave NATO now.


6 posted on 03/23/2007 6:16:30 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: CremeSaver

Do you read your bible? The King of the North.... you seem to know.


7 posted on 03/23/2007 6:21:28 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: CremeSaver

I don't know much about this subject. Can you give me some history on this, and the reasons that we don't just abandon Europe as allies anyway? Aren't they going to be "EurAbia" in a few decades based on their lax immigration laws and the invasion of IslamoFascists into may European countries?

Or is THAT the crux of the issue, and why we should be worried?


8 posted on 03/23/2007 6:22:16 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I probably wouldn't feel as uncomfortable with the EU if it wasn't for Chirac and Germany's former leader Schroeder. I have always felt that the EU fulfilled some kind of imperial dream for them both. They dream of restoring Europe to its former glory and made no secret of the fact that a United Europe would "challenge" the US economically. As long as the threat was economic I thought "bring it on, that could only be good for both of us, healty competitions and such." It's when they began talking about threats and the ability to punish US companies who do not cave to European demands that I began to think this is not "friendly" competition any more, this is how you treat an enemy. They gleefully believe that they can destroy the US, and it is Chirac's and Schroeder's fondest wish to do that. The EU, they rather pointedly declare, has 500 million people. Are we supposed to be intimidated by that? Oh yes.

Now they are talking about a powerful new military, will that also challenge the US? I don't see this as turning out very well for us. The only one that I will regret is Britain. The rest I don't really care about, they haven't been friends for many years. The EU needs the Brits, without them they couldn't form much of a military or economic power, and they know it. Add the above to the growing anti-Americanism that is promoted by a pro-Euro, anti-American media and I think you can see a very real problem for us.

Getting away from purely selfish reasons for distrusting the EU, I would say that for the Europeans the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare. It will make "taxation without representation" something to long for in comparison. The USSR will be remembered as being benign next to the EU with all of its regulations and laws that are implemented without the approval of the people. There is nothing about it that could be seen as democratic.
9 posted on 03/23/2007 7:30:48 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: CremeSaver
I have said before the EU is an enemy waiting to declare itself. With the ever widening streak of anti-Americanism making its mark in Europe, the coming together of the EU is not going to be very good for us or our relationship with our European "allies."

As enemies go, though, they are pretty anemic. To illustrate, they formed as a 10 nation block that was about the same size as the American GDP, explicitly to compete with our economy. Since then they have grown mostly by adding new member states, now 27, and they are still about the same size as our economy.

Besides, if we ever need to attack the EU, we can just wait until August, when they are all off on holiday, and pretty much walk in and take it all.

10 posted on 03/23/2007 7:42:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

At the moment I would agree with you, however, I see Europe as spiteful enough to work with our enemies specifically to block us at every turn. We saw what happened in the run up to the Iraq war, they did everything they could to thwart the US. This is just the beginning of what I think will be a very adversarial and contentious relationship.


11 posted on 03/23/2007 7:58:29 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: Vince Ferrer
The EU has a larger GDP than the USA, but they are close. They also have a population that is now almost 500 million (.5 billion). At least the United States is still easily larger in land area.
12 posted on 03/23/2007 11:36:20 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: CremeSaver

Lots of things are going on at the moment, the article in the WSJ ( http://www.opinionjournal.com/wsj/?id=110009802 ) couldn't have come at a better time IMO. There is still hope :) I believe the islamo-socialist spell is about to be broken!


13 posted on 03/24/2007 1:42:03 AM PDT by Dutchguy
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To: CremeSaver

Ping for later. Gotta work today. Be back later!


14 posted on 03/24/2007 6:27:29 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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