Posted on 03/23/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
If he were polling far ahead of Hillary Clinton in 2000, he never would have dropped out of the 2000 Senate race.
Yes, he had cancer. But he had a very common form of cancer and was undergoing a treatment regimen that has almost impact on the patient's day-to-day routines (witness John Kerry in the 2004 presidential campaign).
Dear zarf,
"I think that view is complete rubbish,..."
You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how faulty. ;-)
"...however such is your right to sit out the vote."
I have no intention to sit out the vote.
First, there will plenty of down-ticket folks for whom to vote. Just because Mr. Giuliani might be trying to destroy the Republican Party from the top down doesn't mean I'm going to abandon all the other Republican candidates on the ballot.
I'm sure it won't happen, but it would be a wonderful irony if Republican congressional candidates outpolled the "Republican" presidential candidate. Perhaps the message that liberals aren't acceptable as Republican presidential nominees might be heard.
Second, if Mr. Giuliani is the nominee of the Republican Party, I'll likely vote third party.
I've never voted third party before. Ever. In fact, other than the time that the Republican candidate in my district for the US House was a Black Muslim whose unofficial campaign slogan was "Kill Honky," (I used to live in a very... "interesting" Congressional District) I've never NOT voted for the Republican in the general election. For any office. Whatsoever. Since 1978.
But I won't vote for Mr. Giuliani, and I have every intention of voting for president.
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If The Nation magazine is against Giuliani, you know he has to be good!
There are quite a few similarities there. The Clintons strictly control document requests from the Clinton librarires. And Rudy had his offical documents trucked away and stashed in a warehouse away from public access, in defiance of state sunshine laws.
We really don't need another president who thinks he is above the law. One in recent history was enough.
No doubt the free thinkers at The Nation would prefer that the "unruly, diverse" denizens of NYC (that would be the homeless, etc.) be free to express themselves at will, including taking a whizz in public, wherever and whenever. Free the people!!
If it was just once, I think I remember that, and I believe you posted a blog entry.
We regularly post stuff from the Nation, Salon, and other left-wing publications because we want to refute them.
I will note that the poster in this case didn't say "I believe all this stuff and think Rudy is pathetic". Maybe that is the intent, but the stated purpose is to see what the answers are to any factual inaccuracies in this article.
The Nation does use questionable 'facts', but it is a real publication with an editor and a circulation, and is considered a "news source". It's different than posting what some kid in his basement claims Hunter did that was evil, when there is no documentation included other than the guy's own word.
What really needs done is for this article to be disected into opinions and facts. Throw out the opinions and make a list of the facts for Team Rudy to refute. Fact examples might be:
His borrowing left his successor with a $4.5 billion budget deficit only eighteen months after Rudy sat on a $3 billion surplus.
On the day he left office, the head count of city workers was the highest in history.
Giuliani's borrowing practices increased the city's debt burden by 50 percent.
Ya done good. Welcome to FR!
Jack Newfield from beyond the grave!!! LOL, hit piece.
I know several people who have had prostate cancer. Their treatment included surgery, chemo, and radiation. All of these forms of treatment were debilitating and impacted their functioning capacity for a time.
The Giuliani administration's policy of seizing vehicles from motorists accused of driving while intoxicated -- EVEN IF THE PERSON WAS LATER CLEARED OF THE CHARGES -- was an absolute disgrace, and basically disqualifies this moron from ever holding public office in the United States of America.
But, hey -- once you are willing to acknowlege that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution can be violated at will by a totalitarian government official, what's the big deal about tossing the Fourth Amendment into the trash can, too?
We'd certainly fault him if he married Katrina vander Heuval, for his complete lack of common sense.
You know, it's not like Giuliani was drafted into his marriage. He CHOSE to commit himself for life to that woman. He wanted to do so very badly, so much so that he went through the trouble of manufacturing a reason to get an anullment so that he could marry her in the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church determined that these two people were meant to be joined together until death did them part, partly because the two of them testified to the church officials their intentions to do so.
Nobody held a gun to Rudy's head to force him to marry this woman. And he wasn't some naive kid either, he was a grown-up who had been married before and therefore had experience.
I feel no sympathy for him over how his wife turned out to be. I may forgive him his divorce, but don't ask me to cry a river of tears like he was some poor emasculated sissy.
That's true - BUT - they get a Barf Alert.
This was not posted for that purpose. This was posted because the poster AGREES with the characterization of Rudy that this article poses.
If Rudy Giuliani's illness were that serious, then we would have every reason to question whether or not he is physically capable of carrying out the duties of the nation's chief executive.
You can't have it both ways.
No, we think that a solid conservative Mayor, given 8 years, would improve the school system without having to spend a lot more money.
Giuliani seems to have gotten the "not spend more money on education" part right, but he missed the "improve the schools" part.
Do you think the job of mayor is to leave the schools performing worse than other cities?
We measure our conservative local elected officials in part on how well our school system educates our children without wasting money doing so.
Well, 59 posts in and I haven't read anybody posting who agreed with any of the subjective statements made by the Nation. So I think the claim that there are fans of the Nation are wrong.
In fact, I'm about the only one posting who seems to have picked any statements out of the article and claimed they were bothersome to me. And that was not about what the article said about it, but about the actual event.
Me too!!
Is he what America needs? I don't think so.
But if he does become the nominee, it's best to be armed with truth.
This was posted because the poster AGREES with the characterization of Rudy that this article poses.
I'm not debating the hyperbole in the article. I'm debating whether or not the facts within the article are actually true.
This may very well have been the low point of the Giuliani administration. Even Giuliani fans would have to admit that it doesn't get any better than this. LOL.
Giuliani is a tough, no nonsense leader who will zero in on a few things he considers important and get them done, surrendering some small things to his political opponents to keep them at bay. He is not particularly ideological, that is true. But he is effective because he knows how to set objectives and get them done. I happen to think that is precisely what the country needs right now.
What Republicans need more than anything right now is our power back. Giuliani is the vehicle that will get us there, Republicans can smell Hillary's blood in the water, and nothing in this hit piece is salient enough to stop the Rudy train from proceeding to the presidency.
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