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As ’08 Candidate, Giuliani Strikes a New Tone on Guns
NY Times ^ | March 23, 2007 | RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA

Posted on 03/23/2007 4:01:10 AM PDT by Pharmboy


David Scull/The New York Times
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, left, at a 1995 news
conference with Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat
of New York, and James S. Brady, who was shot in the
assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan.

As mayor of New York City, Rudolph W. Giuliani became the favorite Republican of gun control advocates.

He spoke in favor of a licensing system for gun owners that would require trigger locks and firearms training, and he lobbied Congress to outlaw most military-style assault weapons. He was the only Republican mayor to join a lawsuit by dozens of cities against the gun industry, and he complained that Southern states had lax gun laws that fed the illegal weapons trade in the Northeast.

“It was very important to have a visible Republican to make the case that this wasn’t some liberal Democratic agenda,” said Paul Helmke, a former Republican mayor of Fort Wayne, Ind., and the president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. “I was at the signing ceremony on the South Lawn of the White House when Bill Clinton signed the crime bill with the assault weapons ban, and Giuliani had the most prominent seat in the front row.”

But as a presidential candidate, Mr. Giuliani now talks very differently about guns as he tries to allay the concerns of Republican primary voters. He says he supports the right of individuals to bear arms, and that states — and generally not the federal government — should decide whether to put some limits on that right. He also spoke in favor of a federal appeals court ruling this month that struck down a District of Columbia ordinance barring people from keeping handguns in their homes.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; duncanwho; giuliani; gungrabber; nowaynohow; rudy; rudy2008; rudyonguns; rudytherino; rudywho; tancredo; willtapdance4votes
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To: Vaquero

There's no doubt he communicates well with a portion of the electorate. I am not that portion, and need someone like Boortz or The Great One, intellectually.


21 posted on 03/23/2007 4:39:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Pharmboy
By primary time, Rudy will be portrayed as a gun-toting tax protester.

It's darned close to that already. Goebbels would be proud of 'em.

22 posted on 03/23/2007 4:43:14 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: bondjamesbond
BTW, when is Sean going to change the name of his radio program to The Giuliani Show?

Sean's constant fawning over Janine Pirro is the primary reason I no longer listen to the man.

(The other reason is that I have sharper, and more eloquent cheese in my fridge.)

23 posted on 03/23/2007 4:47:53 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692 Mitch Rapp would take Jack Bauer's lunch money.)
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To: Pharmboy

No matter what he says now, what will President Rudy do when the first Columbine happens on his watch. Clamp down big time.


24 posted on 03/23/2007 4:48:26 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Pharmboy
"and that states — and generally not the federal government — should decide whether to put some limits on that right."

Either this is his loop-hole, or he still doesn't get it. Or both.

25 posted on 03/23/2007 4:49:54 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Oh yes. Rudy is such a disaster he's been the frontrunner for months among Republicans.


26 posted on 03/23/2007 4:51:42 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Pharmboy
No Rudys. No McCains. No Mitts.

Fred can do it!

27 posted on 03/23/2007 4:52:47 AM PDT by mborman
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To: mborman

Duncan Hunter can do it better.


28 posted on 03/23/2007 4:53:56 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Peach

Popularity =/= Right

We're not even at the primaries.

And what are your thoughts on the article?


29 posted on 03/23/2007 4:57:12 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I'm not wasting my time with the ragers. Just let me leave and say that I'm delighted with Rudy's frontrunner status.


30 posted on 03/23/2007 4:58:13 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Maybe you didn't know, but even Newsweek said last week that he was estranged for years from his second wife when he met Judith. She's a nut and I don't blame him at all for leaving her.

Do you have to denigrate Donna to lift up Rudy? You know he was estranged from his first wife for years and he moved in with Donna while he was still married to the first wife. So, he was estranged from his first wife and had an affair with another woman. Was his first wife "a nut", too?

31 posted on 03/23/2007 4:58:20 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elyse
You know he was estranged from his first wife for years and he moved in with Donna while he was still married to the first wife.

You might want to source that. My source on estrangement from Rudy and Donna is Newsweek from last week.

And if you wish to defend Donna who played in the Vagina Monologues and would never even say if she voted for her own husband, feel free. ROFL

32 posted on 03/23/2007 5:01:10 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
She's a nut and I don't blame him at all for leaving her.
"I take thee--to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do us part; and, thereto, I plight thee my troth."
Now, let's try it the modern, Rudy way:
"I take thee--to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, till we become estranged and/or you become nuts; and, thereto, I reserve my right to find someone else more pleasant and convenient and more mindful of my needs in the meantime and finally dump you, but only after I've used you successfully in campaign commercials to make voters think of me what I want them to think rather than what I actually am, after which I'll lock you and the family out of the mayor's mansion. After all, in the end, what could be more important than my happiness and convenience? And isn't that better for everyone else?"

33 posted on 03/23/2007 5:04:59 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Peach

Yeah, uninformed republicans. The more people hear about him, the less likely they are to suck it up for him like you do incessantly.

Seriously, with all his negatives, how can you support him. Do you have a shred of conscience? Don't bother answering, because anyone who supports Giuliani knowing all his bad points cannot have a conscience. I mean, you have the blood of 50 million dead babies on your hands. That would bother anyone with conscience.


34 posted on 03/23/2007 5:06:42 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Peach
My source on estrangement from Rudy and Donna is Newsweek from last week.

Oh yeah, that unabashedly liberal rag. Great source. LMAO!

Letting the MSM pick your candidate is not going to get you the best deal. Not that you'd understand, though.

35 posted on 03/23/2007 5:08:34 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Good points, Fierce Allegiance. Don't some of those comments sound vaguely familiar, oh, from about 15-16 years ago? Comments like "character doesn't matter," etc.? I seem to remember lots of people saying that a certain southern governor's personal pecadilloes would in no way reflect upon his behavior if he were elected president. We all know how that turned out, don't we.........?


36 posted on 03/23/2007 5:08:48 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Pharmboy

And the judges award Rudy a 6.5 on the attempted backflip.


37 posted on 03/23/2007 5:13:57 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Pharmboy
Rudy is just your typical "say anything to appease and get elected" type of guy. If a president will not stand behind the U.S. Constitution without trying to conform it to his personal ideology, I have no use for him.
38 posted on 03/23/2007 5:15:23 AM PDT by parthian shot
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To: Peach

"She's a nut and I don't blame him at all for leaving her.

Is that Donna Hanover of the vagina monologues?

I think Rudy did well to dump her. Of course the Rudy haters won't give him credit where credit is due, as in leaving the vagina-monologues wife.


39 posted on 03/23/2007 5:21:33 AM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: Hatband
"How about it Rooty, got anything to say about HR1022?"

Raised hell to my Congressman (Latourette)about this and he is firmly against it. Guess he knows darn well Ohioans (Northeastern) are in no mood for this anti-constitution crap!
40 posted on 03/23/2007 5:23:28 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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