Posted on 03/22/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
...We constantly present the false impression that government can solve problems that government in America was designed not to solve. Families are significantly less important in the development of children today than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Religion has less influence than it did 30 or 40 years ago. Communities don't mean what they meant 30 or 40 years ago.
As Americans, we're not sure we share values. We're sometimes even afraid to use the word values. We talk about teaching ethics in schools -- people say, "What ethics? Whose ethics? Maybe we can't." And they confuse that with teaching of religion. And we are afraid to reaffirm the basics upon which a lawful and a decent society are based. We're almost embarrassed by it.
.... What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.
... The fact is that we're fooling people if we suggest to them the solutions to these very, very deep-seated problems are going to be found in government.
... They are going to have to be just as solid and just as strong in teaching every single youngster their responsibility for citizenship. We're going to find the answer when schools once again train citizens. Schools exist in America and have always existed to train responsible citizens of the United States of America.
If they don't do that, it's very hard to hold us together as a country, because it's shared values that hold us together.
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"Your round robin posting is like a cluster ----!"
Sorry you don't like my posting and opinions. However I do have a solution for you. Don't read them and don't respond to them.
If you don't like what I've said so far you won't like much else I have to say.
"If you don't like what I've said so far you won't like much else I have to say."
I don't like much of what you've had to say either. Tell me how you're gonna feel, and what you are going to do, when Hunter can't get past New Hampshire?
"In your blind rage of not having a "pure" candidate that walks on water and will bend to your bidding, you have turned into a one man band twisting everything about a candidate that will be a great president for the U.S. Shame. Shame."
Find me ONE post of mine where I demanded a "pure" candidate. Or make a retraction.
Will you do either?
My approach all along has been to wait and see. I know no candidate is perfect. Walter E Williams isn't running. But there's a difference between waiting for a 'best possible' conservative candidate to emerge and jumping on the bandwagon for the biggest liberal in the race because he has name recognition.
"shame" is relentlessly pushing a liberal republican on a conservative board, and ignoring all evidence of his liberalism because to do so would be inconvenient to the cause.
As I told you yesterday, I'm not supporting anyone yet. And as I've said several times before, I want to hear everything - good or bad- before I decide on a candidate. That is what the primaries are for - to weed out the bad candidates and produce a good one. I don't care if it's Rudy or Romney or Hunter Or Thompson - I want to know all I can about their record, their positions, and their past before I make a decision on who is going to get my support.
The same bad stuff that happens if Rudy gets the nomination: Hillary or Hussein win.
Since I started this thread sir, I believe you have been posting to me. So I read what you post and I respond.
Which freedoms and liberties are you talking about? There are some "freedoms" most of the posters on this site don't support (e.g., abortions) and others we cherish (e.g., the 1st and 2nd Amendments).
I will answer your question when you have answered mine.
No my dear, you are much to "clever" for that. The old "wait and see - wait and see" stall you go with is getting tiresome.
Walter Williams would have a word or two with you. If not, I would want to know way.
Rudy isn't a liberal, no matter how hard you want to push that idea, no matter how many hundreds of posts you feel you need to make to hold back the tide of support for him. You don't want to hear anything. You are a disruptor, someone who is incapable of sane discourse, and to whom I've wasted too much time. You have a following. I hope they can kick the habit of flashbunny.
"Please address what happens to Israel if a Democratic administration abandons them"
Israel has nukes. Israel would no longer have the US to supply it directly with arms and support, but they would also be free of the US leash that keeps them restrained.
But who says Hillary would cut isreal lose? Did Bill?
"Please note that I did say that under Rudy the conservative agenda might not move forward at all."
And it most likely would move backwards.
When you have congress controlled by one party and the presidency controlled by another, you usually get opposition. When you have them both controlled by the same party, you usually get complicity.
Let's see what happens:
1. Democrat congress and Rudy:
- Democrats pass anti-gun and other liberal laws. Rudy, agreeing with them, signs those bills. Liberal agenda advances.
2. Democrat congress and rudy:
Pretty much the same as above. Liberal agenda advances.
3. Republican congress and rudy:
In the name of "party unity" republicans support giuliani. The biggest threat is the RINOs in congress joining with democrats to pass a liberal agenda in the name of "getting things done". Rudy signs those bills. Liberal agenda advances.
4. Republican congress and democrat president:
As in 1994, republicans would be there to act as a buffer to the liberalism. There would be opposition instead of complicity - as long as they kept from 'going native' and losing their way.
Now the preferable way would be a conservative republican president and a republican congress. But that won't happen if people play the fear card and say "if you don't support rudy, hillary will win!"
Let's see how polite you've been on this page alone, much less the rest of the thread.
"No my dear, you are much to "clever" for that. The old "wait and see - wait and see" stall you go with is getting tiresome."
Tell that to people like Rush, Thomas Sowell, Delay, etc etc who are doing the same thing. Settling on the "one candidate" this far out isn't that great of an idea - especially if that person is a liberal.
"Rudy isn't a liberal, no matter how hard you want to push that idea, no matter how many hundreds of posts you feel you need to make to hold back the tide of support for him"
Rudy is a liberal. Maybe 20% conservative (WOT talk, some tax cuts) and 80% liberal (anti-gun, pro CFR, pro roe v wade, pro illegal immigration, pro hate crime laws, pro global warming BS). On the balance he's much more liberal than conservative. The label fits.
I'm not trying to hold back the "tide of support for him." I'm trying to deflate it by giving people the TRUTH about him. They don't know that now. As I showed you yesterday, that is the truth about his support. It's name recognition and PR image. You and others get upset when people try to expose his liberal ways.
"You don't want to hear anything."
On the contrary, I want to hear everything. But just about everything I hear and read about rudy reveals him to be a liberal who his hostile to constitutional rights. That's rudy's fault, not mine.
"someone who is incapable of sane discourse,"
LOL. Yes, someone who is able to dissect both your candidate and your tactics is incapable of sane discourse. The only 'sane discourse' I see rudyphiles approve of is the constant praise of all things rudy. Any questioning of him or highlighting his real record is verboten.
Sir, this is the first time I have called on Jim Robinson for arbitration.
Can anyone translate this into the English language?
I suspect Jim is still on his way back from D.C., otherwise the GOE banner on the main forum would have been taken down or date-modified by now.
Again the cluster ----?
Can you not converse and debate without cheerleaders?
How weak this make you look.
This is just advice.
Take it or leave it.
Thanks for the info.
Maam no arbitration is needed if you refuse to insult someone who has insulted you.
I refuse to insult you or berate you. You have opinions that are just as valid as mine are. I would appreciate the same courtesy without the "Cluster.....!" comments.
I will not be condescending to you on a personal level. If my asking you if you were a Liberal was condescending in your opinion then I apologize for the question.
But you responded to a post where I stated that Libs cannot stand calm determination for long, so my natural assumption was, you saw yourself in my post.
Pesky tagline...
"You are a detriment to this forum."
Why, because I point out the truth about a liberal with an (R) next to his name, and I don't settle for liberal debating tactics when they're used by people here to support rudy?
My defense is the truth. I'm sorry if you can't handle it. You don't have to keep posting to me, but you do.
If you're going to post all these pro-rudy stories in an effort to drum up support for him, you need to be prepared to have those things called into question. If you don't want to debate the merits of rudy's actions and record, don't get involved in the debate.
I'm sorry if constantly having to defend rudy's record from people who find him to be a liberal is bothering you. But again, that's more of a problem caused by rudy and his record than by anyone here. By JR's own words, this forum exists to advance conservatism and a conservative agenda. Not just candidates who happen to have an (R) by their name.
I've seen 2 Rudy trolls banned today.
And a lot of nasty comments from the Rudy supporters of late.
Something is really beginning to worry them.
I can almost smell their fear.
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