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AlGore - Natural CO2 is heavier than man-made CO2. Is this true?

Posted on 03/21/2007 10:31:06 AM PDT by rrr51

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To: rrr51
Only if he's saying man-made C02 is made up of Carbon-14 isotopes whereas nature's C02 is made from Carbon-12 ... Which I really, really doubt this is the case.
Sounds like something he made up.
What's the difference anyways? Carbon-dating methods getting screwed up or something?
41 posted on 03/21/2007 10:40:55 AM PDT by El Cid (for there is none other name [Jesus] under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.)
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To: spunkets

Is he implying then that the CO2 produced by man is somehow worse than that produced by nature? Seems like a sophistry to seperate the man made CO2 from that produced by nature and end the debate over man made vs natural CO2.


42 posted on 03/21/2007 10:41:19 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: rrr51

Before the volcano comment about 'heavy' volcano CO2 precipitating out, he said that scientists can tell the difference between 'natural' and 'manmade' CO2.


43 posted on 03/21/2007 10:41:28 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: rrr51
He ain't heavy, he's my carbon offset.

-PJ

44 posted on 03/21/2007 10:41:56 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: ml/nj
He dropped out of Law School before they could fail him out.

Was that before or after he flunked out of Divinity School?

45 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:07 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Go Rudy Go! (And take McCain with you!))
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To: saganite
Kinda like his other stupid statements like " When I invented the internet" etc....
Amen.
46 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:14 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: CougarGA7

Does he mean a CO2 molecule with carbon-14???

That would be unstable and would break down shortly anyway.


47 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:21 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: xcamel

Ping.


48 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:29 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Sloth

I looked it up. C-13 makes up about 1% of naturally occurring carbon. C-14 is negligible. http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/carbon14.pdf


49 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:39 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Mom MD

I have no idea what the heck Gore is thinking.

The only possible thing that would make any sense to (and it doesn't make much sense) is that since the exhaled C02 or the industrial C02 (product of combustion) is relatively warm it may be less dense than c02 that is at ambient temperature.

That discounts the fact that "natural" C02 from our animal friends is also warm on exhalation. Moreover, C02 should have cooled long before it reach any sensitive portion of the atmosphere climatologically.

So, I am back to the clear fact that he is full of it.


50 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:42 AM PDT by Lawdoc (Pray for our troops and our President, and for honest dems.)
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To: rrr51
Holy Crap.

Such nonsense.

CO2 is CO2

the only possible way for 1 to be heavier than the other is if one has a higher carbon 14 to carbon 12 ratio than the other.

SUCH CRAP.
51 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:43 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BullS##t does not get bridges built)
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To: rrr51

Isn't that a bit like asking which weighs more: 100 pounds of feathers or 100 pounds of cement?


52 posted on 03/21/2007 10:42:56 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: rrr51

May be Professor Gore can explain to us if man made CO2 has a molecular weight MW greater than 44 (extreme sarcasm).


53 posted on 03/21/2007 10:43:11 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: rrr51

I think he actually is correct, BUT, big BUT, it is irrelevant. I seem to remember the isotopic form of oxygen in the surface hydrosphere (processed by biological organisms) is enriched in the lighter varient, whereas the oxygen from earth's interior has more of the heavy isotopic form of oxygen. It is a useful phenomena to "fingerprint" where CO2 comes from, but it has ZERO influence on its greenhouse gas properties.


54 posted on 03/21/2007 10:43:18 AM PDT by PC99
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To: CougarGA7

Animal Farm....

Four Neutrons good, two neutrons bad!


55 posted on 03/21/2007 10:43:54 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Mrs.Z

If its Carbon-14 then we can radio-carbon date algores carbon footprint.


56 posted on 03/21/2007 10:44:07 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (I really dont know what I want to put here.)
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To: spunkets

That must be it...but wouldn't such compounds have a very short half-life?


57 posted on 03/21/2007 10:44:15 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: rrr51
I guess he's saying that CO2 from volcanoes has more of the carbon-13 radioisotope of carbon.

Carbon has an atomic number of 6, meaning all carbon atoms have 6 protons in their nucleus.

Neutrons are the glue that hold the positively-charged protons together. Most carbon atoms have 6 neutrons for an atomic mass of 12, but some carbon atoms have 7 neutrons for an atomic mass of 13.

Whatever the amount of carbon-13 atoms in volcano gases, it's not much. Carbon-13 has less than 1% of the abundance of carbon-12, so in the real world it doesn't mean a thing.

58 posted on 03/21/2007 10:44:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: rrr51
I saw the beginning of the anti-globalwarming rebuttal to Gore's film.

It says the basis premise is wrong, CO2 does not cause global warming, that global warming increases CO2.

I hope I understood that correctly.

59 posted on 03/21/2007 10:44:32 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: geopyg

I keep forgetting that part....humans...bad...maybe we should all just go out and buy some black Nikes.


60 posted on 03/21/2007 10:45:01 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (I really dont know what I want to put here.)
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