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248-dimension maths puzzle solved
BBC ^ | Monday, March 19, 2007

Posted on 03/19/2007 6:01:10 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

Part of the E8 matrix. Image: David Vogan / MIT

The structure is described in the form of a vast matrix

An international team of mathematicians has detailed a vast complex numerical "structure" which was invented more than a century ago.

Mapping the 248-dimensional structure, called E8, took four years of work and produced more data than the Human Genome Project, researchers said.

E8 is a "Lie group", a means of describing symmetrical objects.

The team said their findings may assist fields of physics which use more than four dimensions, such as string theory.

Lie groups were invented by the 19th Century Norwegian mathematician Sophus Lie (pronounced "Lee").

It's as complicated as symmetry can get

David Vogan

Familar structures such as balls and cones have symmetry in three dimensions, and there are Lie groups to describe them. E8 is much bigger.

"What's attractive about studying E8 is that it's as complicated as symmetry can get", observed David Vogan from the Massachussetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the US.

"Mathematics can almost always offer another example that's harder than the one you're looking at now, but for Lie groups, E8 is the hardest one."

Professor Vogan is presenting the results at MIT in a lecture entitled The Character Table for E8, or How We Wrote Down a 453,060 x 453,060 Matrix and Found Happiness.

Fundamental force

Conceptualising, designing and running the calculations took a team of 19 mathematicians four years. The final computation took more than three days' solid processing time on a Sage supercomputer.

Sophus Lie. Image: Science Photo Library
Lie groups were invented by the Norwegian Sophus Lie

What came out was a matrix of linked numbers, which together describe the structure of E8. It contains more than 60 times as much data as the human genome sequence.

Each of the 205,263,363,600 entries on the matrix is far more complicated than a straightforward number; some are complex equations.

The team calculated that if all the numbers were written out in small type, they would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

In addition to facilitating further understanding of symmetry and related areas of mathematics, the team hopes its work will contribute to areas of physics, such as string theory, which involve structures possessing more than the conventional four dimensions of space and time.

"While mathematicians have known for a long time about the beauty and the uniqueness of E8, we physicists have come to appreciate its exceptional role only more recently," commented Hermann Nicolai, director of the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics (the Albert Einstein Institute) in Germany.

"Yet, in our attempts to unify gravity with the other fundamental forces into a consistent theory of quantum gravity, we now encounter it at almost every corner."





TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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1 posted on 03/19/2007 6:01:11 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The picture for the article on the science/technology page:

Yes, it's small.

2 posted on 03/19/2007 6:04:52 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

That's an easy problem compared to why I can't get my cat to use her litter box. Damn cat.


3 posted on 03/19/2007 6:18:16 PM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: MilesVeritatis

I don't care who y'are, right there, thats FUNNY


4 posted on 03/19/2007 6:24:33 PM PDT by RoadGumby
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To: MilesVeritatis

Better have her checked for urinary tract infection,
they associate the pain with the litterbox.

I still didn't get the equation,
is it a object represented by numbers?
I hate to repeat classes when the lectures don't sink in.


5 posted on 03/19/2007 6:31:28 PM PDT by Son House ( The Presidents enemies, are my enemies.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I always had to show my work on paper with the answer for it to count as a right answer.
6 posted on 03/19/2007 6:37:37 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I just can't say Democrat with out the ick)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
That little picture at the top of the article, sure cleared this mystery up for me.


7 posted on 03/19/2007 6:39:12 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
248-dimension maths puzzle solved

Since they're such geniuses, I was going to make a crack about the word "maths," but then I wondered if this was a fish/fishes type of grammar.

-PJ

8 posted on 03/19/2007 6:43:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
you lost me at "An..."

reminds me of a line from a classic movie, "Me and my fellow nerds will retire to the nerdery. We should have something for you by this afternoon."

9 posted on 03/19/2007 6:46:31 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: MilesVeritatis

I found this receioe last week..

Kitty Litter

Makings:


1 box spice or german chocolate cake mix
1 box white cake mix
1 vanilla box wafers crushed
1 large box vanilla instant pudding mix
12 small tootsie rolls


Place in a litter box and serve with a scooper.


10 posted on 03/19/2007 6:47:20 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I just can't say Democrat with out the ick)
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To: Political Junkie Too

"Since they're such geniuses, I was going to make a crack about the word "maths," but then I wondered if this was a fish/fishes type of grammar."



You can learn all about "Maths" here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiMWJ1xBo8w


11 posted on 03/19/2007 6:51:21 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Thanks!!! Now I understands.

-PJ

12 posted on 03/19/2007 7:03:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: ThomasThomas
I always had to show my work on paper with the answer for it to count as a right answer.

And show a proof, too.

The way some of my teachers & professors graded, negative scores were not only possible, but common.

13 posted on 03/19/2007 9:16:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: MilesVeritatis

What came out was a matrix of linked numbers, which together describe the structure of E8. It contains more than 60 times as much data as the human genome sequence.
---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---<>---

No wonder you can't get your cat to use that thing. Cat can't understand the structure of the litter box.

Get her a Sage computer to help her figure it out.


14 posted on 03/20/2007 8:08:54 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Geez, I can't even do a rubiks cube without cheating.


15 posted on 03/20/2007 8:22:52 AM PDT by mtg
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I don't see why they didn't come to me for the solution, I solved it 2 years ago in my basement, but lost the documentation...I could've at least pointd them in the right direction... :-)


16 posted on 03/20/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Now, that kitty litter recipe is funny! Thanks, ThomasThomas.


17 posted on 03/20/2007 2:45:38 PM PDT by MilesVeritatis (War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things...." - John Stuart Mill)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

P=NP ;P


18 posted on 03/22/2007 12:12:38 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: AntiGuv

ping


19 posted on 03/22/2007 12:13:11 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Sure, now ya tell me. ;')


20 posted on 03/22/2007 10:39:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Sunday, March 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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