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Some scientists eye odd climate fixes
Associated Press ^ | 03/19/07 | SETH BORENSTEIN

Posted on 03/19/2007 7:34:04 AM PDT by presidio9

When climate scientist Andrew Weaver considers the idea of tinkering with Earth's air, water or sunlight to fight global warming, he remembers the lessons of a favorite children's book.

In the book, a cheese-loving king's castle is infested with mice. So the king brings in cats to get rid of the mice. Then the castle's overrun with cats, so he brings in dogs to get rid of them, then lions to get rid of the dogs, elephants to get rid of the lions, and finally, mice to get rid of the elephants.

That scenario in "The King, the Mice and the Cheese," by Nancy and Eric Gurney, should give scientists pause before taking extreme measures to mess with Mother Nature, says Weaver of the University of Victoria.

However, in recent months, several scientists are considering doing just that.

They are exploring global warming solutions that sound wholly far-fetched, including giant artificial "trees" that would filter carbon dioxide out of the air, a bizarre "solar shade" created by a trillion flying saucers that lower Earth's temperature, and a scheme that mimics a volcano by spewing light-reflecting sulfates high in the sky.

These are costly projects of last resort — in case Earth's citizens don't cut back fast enough on greenhouse gas emissions and the worst of the climate predictions appear not too far away. Unfortunately, the solutions could cause problems of their own — beyond their exorbitant costs — including making the arid Middle East even drier and polluting the air enough to increase respiratory illnesses.

Kevin Trenberth, climate analysis chief at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, said mankind already has harmed Earth's climate inadvertently, so it's foolish to think that people can now fix it with a few drastic measures.

But at Trenberth's same Boulder, Colo., research center, climate scientist Tom Wigley is exploring that mock volcano idea.

"It's the lesser of two evils here (the other being doing nothing)," Wigley said. "Whatever we do, there are bad consequences, but you have to judge the relative badness of all the consequences."

Studying the concept of how volcanic pollutants could lessen global warming — the Earth was slightly cooler after the eruption of a Philippine volcano 16 years ago — was brought to the forefront of scientific debate last summer by Nobel Laureate Paul Crutzen.

"It was meant to startle the policymakers," said Crutzen, of Germany's Max Planck Institute for Chemistry. "If they don't take action much more strongly than they have in the past, then in the end, we have to do experiments like this."

In the past, scientists and others have avoided talking publicly about these ideas, known as "geoengineering," even though the concept was first raised in 1965. They worried that the hope of a quick technological fix to global warming would prevent politicians and the public from making the real energy sacrifices that they say are necessary to slow climate change.

David Keith, a University of Calgary engineering professor and one of the world's experts in geoengineering, says that just because tinkering with the air, water and sunlight are possible, they should not be substitutes for cutting emissions just because "we've been politically weak-kneed."

Instead, he said, such options should be researched as an "insurance policy" in case global warming is even worse than forecast. And that prospect has caused climate scientists to talk about the issue more openly in recent months.

There is also a chance that discussion of such radical ideas as a volcano or sun shade could shock the world into acting to reduce fossil fuel emissions, Keith said.

However, White House science adviser Jack Marburger, said spending money on geoengineering doesn't make sense. The federal government, which spends about $2 billion on climate change science, invests nearly all of its research on energy sources that produce fewer or no greenhouse gas emissions.

"I don't think it's scientifically feasible at this time to consider a plan like that (geoengineering)," Marburger told The Associated Press. "The real urgency is to reduce carbon dioxide."

In 2001, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change looked at geoengineering as part of its report on how to lessen global warming. It found some promise, worried about unexpected side effects, legal and ethical implications, and concluded that "unlike other strategies, geoengineering addresses the symptoms rather than the causes of climate change."

Even proponents of geoengineering research are wary.

"We are playing with fire here," Keith said. "Those of us suggesting we do something are suggesting it with real nervousness."

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Associated Press Special Correspondent Charles J. Hanley in New York contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; junkscience
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1 posted on 03/19/2007 7:34:09 AM PDT by presidio9
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FR wouldn't let me post the story, but last Friday I saw a story about launching 16 trillion Frisbee-like objects into space to act as a "solar umbrella." GENTLEMEN, START YOUR FRISBEES!


2 posted on 03/19/2007 7:36:12 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sounds like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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and a scheme that mimics a volcano by spewing light-reflecting sulfates high in the sky.

How could something simple like that not work? And just in case it doesn't work, or makes things worse, I'm sure it's easily reversible, right?

3 posted on 03/19/2007 7:36:59 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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Some scientists eye odd climate fixes

Odd scientists eye some climate fixes.

Fixed scientists eye some odd climates.

Some climates eye odd scientist fixes.

Odd climates eye odd scientist fixes.

Fixed climates eye some odd scientists.

Some climates fix odd scientist eyes.

There! I like that one!

4 posted on 03/19/2007 7:38:51 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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16 TRILLION FRISBEES???????


5 posted on 03/19/2007 7:39:48 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sounds like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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6 posted on 03/19/2007 7:41:23 AM PDT by kidd
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It's the lesser of two evils here (the other being doing nothing)," Wigley said. "Whatever we do, there are bad consequences, but you have to judge the relative badness of all the consequences."

Is he actually getting paid for this?

7 posted on 03/19/2007 7:41:57 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (¡El proletariado del mundo, une! - Xuygo Chavez)
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To: NRA1995

"Since the beginning of time man has yearned to destroy the sun. I will do the next best thing...block it out!"

8 posted on 03/19/2007 7:42:22 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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This reads like something from the onion.

"...a scheme that mimics a volcano by spewing light-reflecting sulfates high in the sky"

They can always throw in some asbestos into the brew. That ought to block the heat real good!

Geez, I hope they experiment on some third world hellhole before they try this on us civilized folk!


9 posted on 03/19/2007 7:42:35 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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Simple solution: Mandate that all roofs in the tropics be painted white. This simple, cheap solution would raise the albedo of the earth, probably enough to compensate for loss of tree cover. (I didn't come up with this, Sci-Fi author Jerry Pournelle did) But of course, it won't accomplish their real goal...
10 posted on 03/19/2007 7:42:55 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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Actually, better, this reminds me of one of those Far Side scientists cartoons.


11 posted on 03/19/2007 7:43:38 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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Whatever happened to good-old-fashioned nuclear winter? Lob a bunch of nukes at Iran and North Korea, three problems solved in one fell swoop. I should be a scientist.


12 posted on 03/19/2007 7:48:00 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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During the 70's global COOLING scare, there were scientists/wackos who believed we needed to pour soot on the polar ice caps to allow them to absorb more sunlight and melt more quickly. Some even wanted to nuke the ice caps.


13 posted on 03/19/2007 7:48:43 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sounds like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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They are exploring global warming solutions that sound wholly far-fetched, including giant artificial "trees" that would filter carbon dioxide out of the air

Hey if global warming is a problem, then liberal scientists should have no problem with a limited nuclear war that brings about limited nuclear winter to counteract the global warming.

We can start with large portions of the Middle East and Indonesia.

14 posted on 03/19/2007 7:50:02 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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They are exploring global warming solutions that sound wholly far-fetched, including giant artificial "trees" that would filter carbon dioxide out of the air,...

The Martians tried planting giant trees and it worked too well. Froze up the whole durn planet!   ;-)

15 posted on 03/19/2007 7:52:16 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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Could Crazy Technology Save the Planet?
16 posted on 03/19/2007 7:53:37 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ConservativeDude

In some of those hellholes, the "sulfate roof" might be their only roof.

Call the HillaBeast - those poor people need to be taxed! It'll be for their own good!


17 posted on 03/19/2007 7:54:42 AM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: oh8eleven

What's with the "Seth Borenstien Alert?" I am vaguely familiar with the name, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about him.


18 posted on 03/19/2007 8:10:07 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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He's the AP "science writer" whose global climate change bias is plastered throughout his stories.


19 posted on 03/19/2007 8:18:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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You should be nominated for nobels in both peace and physics!


20 posted on 03/19/2007 8:25:31 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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