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The Secret Rulers of the World: The Legend of Ruby Ridge
BBC Channel 4 Video Documentary ^ | ? | Jon Ronson

Posted on 03/17/2007 7:32:42 AM PDT by amchugh

This is one part of a five part series done for BBC Channel 4. It focusses on Ruby Ridge and the Weaver family, with some digression into seperatists, conspiracy theorists, etc...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: adrenalinecowboys; govtsanctionedmurder; libertarian; murdererhoriuchi; policestate; rubyridge; weaver
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Reread my post, I said Klamath Falls was enviornmental not about the others. Why are you interested in any credible links anyway.

The only links Head is providing are second hand "they could have been doing this" and "as soon as they saw me from the helicopter they turned away"( snort like they can know that was the reason).

"Something was hanging from the helicopter" (spot light maybe?) turns into the government was gonna burn them out! Its all the same rumour crap that spreads through a community after any event.

Gritz is a nut, he says 'from my experience as a soldier so and so must have reacted this or that way and got caught in cross fire." Real solid there, almost like eye witness, more like remote viewing, but you seem to buy anything.

It bothers me that even if Weaver would have shot one of the Feds first he'd still be a hero to most here, when actually he was just another loser conspiracy theorist searching for an identity and found it in Idaho with he Aryan Nation.

361 posted on 03/19/2007 6:10:01 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
RE: "Reread my post, I said Klamath Falls was enviornmental not about the others."

Thank you for the correction.

RE: "you seem to buy anything"

Hey! I represent that!

362 posted on 03/19/2007 6:36:22 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: DainBramage
From your post...

The only links Head is providing are second hand "they could have been doing this"

You say that, but in those links are quotes and transcripts from the trial itself, quoted by the people you call "second hand"...but wait, Gritz was there and he is (irrespective of whatever else you may say) in these areas recognized as someone with the experience to tell the difference in the types of wounds and the entire "ambush" scenarios, so he is not second hand or coming at this as some kind of novice off the street. Notice, he did get the family out of there alive with no further bloodshed, and his contentions were used successfully by the defense at the trial. So, with Gritz, you're back to defaming and slandering him about other things to try and make your point.

Pretty weak.

So, simply stated, your accusation does not hold...but even then, you follow up that accusation against me (even though not valid), with this...

It bothers me that even if Weaver would have shot one of the Feds first he'd still be a hero to most here

Hrrrummphh!...seems like a little bit of a double standard to me. What you, yourself put forward in that sentence is a HUGE "what if" (what you had just tried to slam me for linking to others), and it is one that is refuted absolutley by the facts. Weaver did not shoot a Fed or anyone else on that hill top...AT ALL, not first, second, or otherwise.

'nuf said.

BTW, just out of interest. From the way you refer to me in your posts...and rom the many years now that I have been around here...you sound an awful lot like a former Freeper. Are you a retread? I may be completely wrong on that...but was just interested.

363 posted on 03/20/2007 2:30:08 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: amchugh

From Freedom to Slavery, by Gerry Spence

Written by Randy Weaver's defense attorney, the second chapter of the paperback edition is one of the best accounts of what happened at Ruby Ridge. With Gerry Spence's permission, it is reproduced here.

http://www.ruby-ridge.com/gspence.htm


364 posted on 03/20/2007 6:54:01 PM PDT by MarshHawk
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To: Our man in washington

if weaver had been a member of the nation of islam....


365 posted on 03/20/2007 7:59:14 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: DainBramage
He was a ... no tax paying whacko.

If, by "no tax paying" you mean he didn't pay income tax, you're probably right.

But that's irrelevant.

He was dirt-poor (which is why he accepted the job of cutting-down the shotgun - for a few bucks he desperately needed), had a wife and several kids. In those circumstances, he owed no income tax.

366 posted on 03/20/2007 8:03:41 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Jeff Head
While Im sure I remind you of some other astute freeper Ive been this screen name from day one.

Jeff I cant agree with your assessment of Gritz' credibility. His judgement alone is questionable just based on his history of aligning with extremists of every creed.

He talks a fine talk, yet surrounds himself with haters, paranoid militants, racists, and religious zealots. I cant see him being considered anything but nutty. Ruby Ridge seems to be some sort of Woodstock for some people. Something to relive and roll around in like "those were the days". Its hindsight but I see it as an real ugly view of both sides of the story.

Whats your affiliation with these types? You believe in the the ZOG? Christian Identity? Where are you coming from.

367 posted on 03/21/2007 3:35:39 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage

Randy Weaver is my first cousin,our dads were

brothers...even though I do not share his politics, I do

know he was not as radical as the media made him out to be.

If you have not gotten the facts straight after this

long,it really does not matter. Everyone has their opinion

on this tragic event. Sometimes paranoia is

justified...Simply because I am his cousin,I wonder if I am

in some dossier in a little corner of some overzealous

government law enforcement agent..In the 70's I broke a few

laws. Who knows? kellyw


368 posted on 03/26/2007 7:28:31 PM PDT by kweaver
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To: kweaver

You signed up for that? Funny your sign up date shows to be one day after your first post.


369 posted on 03/27/2007 4:13:00 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: LiberalBassTurds

Yes, I thought of that when I read your reply to AnnGora.


370 posted on 03/27/2007 5:34:25 AM PDT by .44 Special (T? M?id Buarch)
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To: .44 Special
Your screen name is one of my favorite calibers.

Just thought I'd drop by and say that.

Have a pleasant day.

L

371 posted on 03/27/2007 5:36:19 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: .44 Special
Yes, I thought of that when I read your reply to AnnGora.

Thanks .44 Special. Appreciate that feedback.

All the best,

LBT
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372 posted on 03/27/2007 8:50:54 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Bear in mind that half the population has a below-average intelligence.)
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To: DainBramage

I wasn't really picking your comments out for scrutiny...

just adding a little input to a discussion about someone I

know personally, and not just as a news story. Sorry, if I

did not want get into some big typewritten online argument.

kellyw.


373 posted on 03/28/2007 4:49:13 AM PDT by kweaver
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To: taxed2death

Totally agree with your assessment.....


374 posted on 03/28/2007 4:56:55 AM PDT by auto power
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To: kweaver
Keep in mind families of almost every known criminal say what you say about your uncle. Hes not that kind of person, Tim McVeigh was a good guy, the BTK killer was active in his church,etc.

My grandfather was KKK in Louisiana. He hated all kinds of people and thought it was the norm because thats the kind of people he hung out with and lived around. Remind you of anywhere?

375 posted on 03/28/2007 5:06:31 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: bkepley
I met a "Christian Identity" guy. He was a total crackpot. Probably a child molester on the side.

I don't think that's quite what Jesus had in mind when he said "Let the little children come unto me."

376 posted on 04/07/2007 4:56:36 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DainBramage; Admin Moderator
Ive already had my life threatened in private email on this thread.

Then let everyone know who did it, publish the private email, and have the offender BANNED.

Such behaviour does not belong on FR!

377 posted on 04/07/2007 5:01:39 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Actually I did and nothing happened.


378 posted on 04/07/2007 5:31:43 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
Hmmm. Can you substantiate your original claim, then?

Just as the disputes between the pro-Weaver and pro-govt types on this thread have proved, talk is cheap.

Or, as Ronald Reagan said, "Trust, but verify."

Cheers!

379 posted on 04/07/2007 5:52:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DainBramage
His stupidity cost the lives of his wife and son. He made the decision to hole up and risk thier lives.

Samuel Weaver (13) was dead, shot in the back, before Randy even knew what was going on. What would you have done?
380 posted on 07/02/2012 1:48:53 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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