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The Great Disconnect between the Republican Party and the Conservative Base
vanity | 12 March 2007 | Trueblackman

Posted on 03/12/2007 8:26:01 PM PDT by Trueblackman

The Great Disconnect between the Republican Party and the Conservative Base

The Republican Party better get its act together like yesterday and realize that without its Conservative base, that it will be left to wonder in the wilderness for many more years to come.

Republicans in Congress are now back in the minority after 12 years of majorities granted to them by the base who envisioned the death of big government agencies like the Departments of Education and Energy with control of the purse strings from 1994-2006 and in 2000 with the election of George W. Bush the base demanded the unabated end of the Clinton Era Tactics of manipulation federal government numbers and phony government surpluses.

Conservatives felt that Bush and company would govern like Conservatives, but after 6 years the base saw no victories as the federal government grew bigger under Bush with “No Child Left Behind” and “Medicare Part D.” Bush refused to fight for our most Conservatives Nominees allowing them to be blocked for years on end by a minority within the minority Democrats Caucus in the Senate. Bush’s “new tone” in Washington DC amounted to the abandonment of his Conservative Principals within 6 months of his first term.

Liberal Republicans like John McCain were allowed to cut deals behind close doors on Judicial Nominees, Taxes and Immigration, while the Conservatives in the Senate seem dumbfounded and refused to stop this self-proclaimed maverick and his band of merry sellouts. McCain seems to take joy in stabbing the base in the back every chance he gets, gleefully going on MSNBC to be praised by Chris Matthews, because he feels that he is somehow owed the Presidency and blames the base for his 2000 Primary defeats to George W. Bush. Now McCain wants to be the 2008 Nominee, “Sorry John, but paybacks are a bi*ch” and I will not vote for what amounts to the Republican Party’s Manchurian Candidate.

The House Managers became fat, dumb and happy and governed more like Republicrats than Conservatives and they thought that the fears of impeachment, higher taxes and liberal control of the House would be enough to rally the base to their banner again in 2006, but this time their rally cries fell on deaf ears and their majorities were lost.

The Republican Party still refuses to learn from 2006’s mid-term election defection by the base, Republicans need to realize that they live and die by the votes of the base and that any candidate that does not appeal to the base will not receive our votes. It is better to lose to a Democrat, than to elect a CINO (Conservative In Name Only).

Now as we enter the 2008 Presidential Race we have Northern Eastern Republicans like Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney trying to sell themselves to the base as having Conservative Credentials, but when one looks at their records and how they have governed, it has been anything but Conservative, yet there are those in the Republican Party who are trying to sell Giuliani as our best bet in 2008. The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

As a Conservative, I would rather back a Conservative Republican Candidate and see him lose the Presidential Election on principal than back a Liberal Republican IN Name Only like Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and John McCain, who will end up stabbing me in the back anyway and govern himself by poll and focus groups.

The base would rather lose on principals than win out of convenience and the leaders of the Republican Party better start realizing that.


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To: upsdriver
When will they learn?
We learned that the Republican Party has some members that just don`t care about the country and would rather lose. Those folks never seem to understand that the lessor of two evils is a real world truth. While I`m quickly becoming a Fred Thompson guy, Rudy would make an excellent War Time President. Certainly better then anybody the Rats have.
121 posted on 03/12/2007 9:52:15 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Rodney King
Our morning talk host in the capital had Ron Paul on last week. He's the maverick--not McCain. A special post could be established for him, conscience of the congress--no doubt an oxymoron with congress as it exists.

Rudy is perceived and supported for his strengths in national security and fiscal conservatism. And the SOB factor to reverse the new tone.

Fred Thompson demonstrated a steel trap legal mind with his eight-minute skewering of the judge and prosecutor in the Libby case last week and would be a sorely needed Attorney General to tell the Beltway how the cow ate the cabbage during this war.

Nobody else can close the deal: acceptance, organization, fundraising, kevlar psyche to withstand the Full Saul Alinsky.

I will vote Republican a year from November whoever is the presidential nominee.

We cannot allow the Left to install Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hussein Obama or The Breck Girl--they'll all surrender in Iraq and everywhere around the world until the sleeper cells have all the freed-up assets to activate and disrupt the economy here.

The Left will strangle defense and intelligence and jack taxes to the stratosphere, crushing security and the economy.

Security and the economy are Rudy's strengths.

I shook Bob Livingston's hand when he came to speak at my Senate candidate's kickoff dinner in Santa Fe (Paul Shanklin performed) and his hand was a limp fish and he was visibly startled when I approached--gun-shy.

He had quit after Newt quit--they quit.

Now we've got the new tone.

I want an SOB, the kind who threw out Arafat and Castro and told the museum it couldn't crap on the Holy Mother.

Londonistan and Mark Steyn's America Alone and Tony Blankley's The West's Last Stand indicate this is the last island in a sea of enemies.

Rudy says we need to start dealing with Iran and Syria--he had people who jumped out of his buildings and that's his take-away: it's serious.

To Mrs. Bill Clinton, it's something she resents, it's bad air quality, those towers.

Further this deponent sayeth not.

122 posted on 03/12/2007 9:52:52 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: TheLion
One of the reasons I like Romney is his his ability to articulate "on the spot". He knows what he believes.

I'm curious to what extent his opinion on the Schiavo case is based upon accurate or false perceptions of it.

One thing I've wondered sometimes is what would happen if people were polled with questions about hypothetical cases whose facts mirrored very closely, but were slightly less outrageous than, the Michael Schiavo case. I wonder which way they'd go?

123 posted on 03/12/2007 9:53:14 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Trueblackman
Much that you expressed I agree with; however, the Republicans in Washington probably do not actually care one way or the other whether they are in power; it works for them to be afforded all the perks and lobbyist dinners and various perks of flying their family and friends around the world on good will junkets, and have the greatest retirements in the world as long as they or their spouses live, etc.

("The base would rather lose on principals than win out of convenience and the leaders of the Republican Party better start realizing that.")

It works that we lose again ... and have little opportunity to change it. Congress will not enforce their own ethical rules much less curtail their own wealth building investments. They have their power, influence and live like royalty, so what is the big deal for them? They play the game and go through the motions of playing like Republicans without effect. God help us conservatives.

Now to check out the thread for the opinions of others.
124 posted on 03/12/2007 9:55:41 PM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus.)
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To: Paperdoll

And we win with Hillary?!


125 posted on 03/12/2007 9:56:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: neverhillorat

He supports abortion! He can't have my vote! There is a thirty four year war against unborn babies that we haven't won yet. 48,000,000 butchered babies cry out for justice! Guilianni doesn't care about that war so don't even bother nominating him. He will lose.


126 posted on 03/12/2007 9:57:51 PM PDT by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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To: no dems

"Supposedly, they got the message when they got their butts handed to them last November. If not, they'll get a louder message in November of '08."


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Rooting for Hillary, I see.


127 posted on 03/12/2007 9:59:38 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: geologist
We are just beating each other to death, wait until the smoke clears away, then perhaps we will have a clearer picture of who we have to work with.No sense getting all worked up now.Out of 300,000,000 people in this country we should be able to find some person we could agree on, and get behind. The Lord never ceases to work his little miracles
128 posted on 03/12/2007 10:00:17 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: geologist
We are just beating each other to death, wait until the smoke clears away, then perhaps we will have a clearer picture of who we have to work with.No sense getting all worked up now.Out of 300,000,000 people in this country we should be able to find some person we could agree on, and get behind. The Lord never ceases to work his little miracles
129 posted on 03/12/2007 10:00:24 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: Rodney King

Rudy beats the DEms in every poll -- that's an indication that he can beat them in the election.


130 posted on 03/12/2007 10:02:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy beats the DEms in every poll -- that's an indication that he can beat them in the election.

Well, you might be right of course. However, there are plenty of people who are way up in the polls only to lose in the election. I would suggest that not everyone is fully aware of Giuliani's record as a liberal. But, if the polls are how you decide who to support, be my guest.

131 posted on 03/12/2007 10:04:36 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: PhilDragoo

"I want an SOB, the kind who threw out Arafat and Castro and told the museum it couldn't crap on the Holy Mother.

Londonistan and Mark Steyn's America Alone and Tony Blankley's The West's Last Stand indicate this is the last island in a sea of enemies.

Rudy says we need to start dealing with Iran and Syria--he had people who jumped out of his buildings and that's his take-away: it's serious."


An excellent post! THIS is the bottom line.


132 posted on 03/12/2007 10:05:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FairOpinion

>>please consider the consequences:<<

You should have told that to Bush!


133 posted on 03/12/2007 10:07:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: devolve; PhilDragoo

134 posted on 03/12/2007 10:08:17 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: supercat

Candidates raise money and run on their own.

Maybe the so called conservatives need to quit blaming others for their self created problems.


135 posted on 03/12/2007 10:16:12 PM PDT by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: FairOpinion

No, my argument is based on fact - on who he has appointed in the past. NOT on what he has SAID he will do.


136 posted on 03/12/2007 10:22:35 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: potlatch

137 posted on 03/12/2007 10:22:50 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: Trueblackman

One of the reasons why the conservative movement has failed to get it's message out, is the fact that the social issues are big government nanny state meddling, while the fiscal and libertarian issues are above all for state's rights and limited government and personal choice and responsibility.


138 posted on 03/12/2007 10:28:53 PM PDT by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: Trueblackman
The CINO's and left snorting mob are angry that the Conservative voter will NOT vote for a CINO. Just ain't gonna happen. Listen to all the principled Conservatives. What are they saying? No I won't vote for Rudy or Mitt or McRino or any other social liberal.

Want a Republican in the WH in 08, better get a Conservative up to bat.
139 posted on 03/12/2007 10:29:48 PM PDT by free_life
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To: devolve

Very good devolve! Red she be!! - lol, when she isn't visiting some church and talking their lingo.


140 posted on 03/12/2007 10:32:38 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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