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The Great Disconnect between the Republican Party and the Conservative Base
vanity | 12 March 2007 | Trueblackman

Posted on 03/12/2007 8:26:01 PM PDT by Trueblackman

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To: PhilDragoo
Who's electable? Stand and deliver.

I'm not sure what you mean.

101 posted on 03/12/2007 9:29:02 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Trueblackman

I fear it will be the lesser of the evils.


102 posted on 03/12/2007 9:29:55 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Rodney King
You question whether Rudy is electable.

Who, then, is electable?

103 posted on 03/12/2007 9:31:04 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: TheLion
This could start a terrible precedent.

The precedent already exists in cases where a state intends to execute someone for a crime of which he's been convicted. Why should it not be extended to a case where a state intends to execute someone without even the slightest allegation that she's committed any crime whatsoever?

104 posted on 03/12/2007 9:31:12 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Trueblackman; fatima

Is there a Net link? I would love to see!


105 posted on 03/12/2007 9:32:00 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: supercat

That is a jurisdiction thing. The case was already decided by the court.


106 posted on 03/12/2007 9:32:44 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: TheLion
Could you post a passage of the constitution that says congress can intervene in on going court cases....then you will have impressed me and I will be quiet.

The last section of Amendment XIV, if someone is being denied due process. A slight stretch, perhaps, but nowhere near as bad as the other contortions the Constitution has endured.

107 posted on 03/12/2007 9:34:00 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: mdittmar

Some of you folks drive me nuts. A good name for your group is the "I Love This HOLE In My Foot Club".Rudy is never getting my vote, Mitt is a flip flopper, McNut is a backstabber, Newt had a girl friend, Fred Thompson isn`t a virgin, My GOD, we are trying to elect a President, we aren`t selecting the Pope. Very rarely does any body speak FOR a candidate and hardly ever is the alternative mentioned. We sound like the Rats when they discuss Iraq. Nothing about how they have prolonged the conflict, how their comments give aid and comfort to the other side, and nothing about the consequences of us losing. In the quest for the guy or gal that hits each and every issue just right, we are living up to somes goal of shooting themselves in the foot! Hello Madam President, Ms. Rodamn.


108 posted on 03/12/2007 9:34:21 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: supercat

I should have added....could you imagine if congress started getting envolved while these cases were in trial?


109 posted on 03/12/2007 9:34:38 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: OMalley

I'm tired of arguing with those who will not accept Julies own words as fact, and believe all these degradation might scare us into supporting their pet liberal.


110 posted on 03/12/2007 9:35:33 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: TheLion
That is a jurisdiction thing. The case was already decided by the court.

Congress has passed legislation in the past allowing federal courts to examine state death penalty cases, presumably on Amendment XIV grounds. I see no reason why Terri's case should have been constitutionally ineligible for similar treatment.

111 posted on 03/12/2007 9:36:22 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat

One of the reasons I like Romney is his his ability to articulate "on the spot". He knows what he believes.


112 posted on 03/12/2007 9:36:45 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: PhilDragoo
You question whether Rudy is electable.

Well, I asked you why you think Rudy is so electable. Will you answer that?

Who, then, is electable?

Normally I would wait until you answered what I put to you, but anyway:

I am not sure. "Electable" means a lot of things. Presidents are elected on positions, leadership, and appearence (and some other things, but lets keep it simple for now). The weights of these factors change over time. Sometimes underlying positions matter more than other times.

But, the weight of the evidence since 1980 (and we could go back to '76 when the "electable" Ford beat Reagan) is that the best candidate for the GOP has positions that are more conservative than Rudy's. Rudy has good leadership skills, although I am unsure if his personal life will have any effect.

Anyway, that's all I am saying, is that it is hard for me to see any evidence that Rudy is this tremendously electable guy. Now, of course, that does not mean that the favorite of conservatives is neccessarily the most electable. I don't think Gingrich is very electable. I will be voting for Ron Paul, but am totally aware that he is not electable. I tend to like the Fred Thompson idea. But, as I said, I just don't believe in the median voter model which basically states that whoever is most to the left is the most electable. It hasn't worked since at least 1976.

113 posted on 03/12/2007 9:37:19 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: TheLion
I should have added....could you imagine if congress started getting envolved while these cases were in trial?

The laws allowing federal habeus corpus proceedings in death penalty cases have been invoked in cases in which the accused had already been convicted and was merely awaiting execution. I see nothing that makes Terri's case constitutionally any less justifiable.

114 posted on 03/12/2007 9:37:56 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: neverhillorat; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Grampa Dave
Some of you folks drive me nuts. A good name for your group is the "I Love This HOLE In My Foot Club".Rudy is never getting my vote, Mitt is a flip flopper, McNut is a backstabber, Newt had a girl friend, Fred Thompson isn`t a virgin, My GOD, we are trying to elect a President, we aren`t selecting the Pope. Very rarely does any body speak FOR a candidate and hardly ever is the alternative mentioned. We sound like the Rats when they discuss Iraq. Nothing about how they have prolonged the conflict, how their comments give aid and comfort to the other side, and nothing about the consequences of us losing. In the quest for the guy or gal that hits each and every issue just right, we are living up to somes goal of shooting themselves in the foot! Hello Madam President, Ms. Rodamn.


115 posted on 03/12/2007 9:38:09 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: supercat

I stand by my origional remarks. Romney was "spot on" in his remarks about this case.


116 posted on 03/12/2007 9:38:12 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: PhilDragoo
Duncan Hunter is electable. Any true conservative would be electable if we all came together.

We conservatives are political because of principles, all you others just want the big R to win at any cost.

What difference would it make to you?
117 posted on 03/12/2007 9:39:26 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: PhilDragoo

Show me where Mitt Romney has flip flopped.


118 posted on 03/12/2007 9:39:40 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Delphinium

facts they dont need no stinken facts. besides dont you kmow what rudy says doesnt really mean anything?! except when it is "conservative"?

Its like hitting our collective heads against a brick wall - mabye we should re start our rootie tootie fan club and join in LOL


119 posted on 03/12/2007 9:43:31 PM PDT by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Delphinium

Hi Delphinium! It does get tiring, doesn't it? So many of us have stated unequivocally that we will never, ever vote for Giulianni! Yet somehow, they think we can be badgered and scared into supporting him because only he can defeat Hillary! When will they learn!!


120 posted on 03/12/2007 9:43:50 PM PDT by upsdriver ((Hunter / Thompson......Gonzo politics)
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