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These Legs Were Made For Fighting: Human Ancestors Had Short Legs For Combat
Science Daily ^ | 3-12-2007 | University Of Utah

Posted on 03/12/2007 6:25:00 PM PDT by blam

Source: University of Utah
Date: March 12, 2007

These Legs Were Made For Fighting: Human Ancestors Had Short Legs For Combat, Not Just Climbing

Science Daily — Ape-like human ancestors known as australopiths maintained short legs for 2 million years because a squat physique and stance helped the males fight over access to females, a University of Utah study concludes.

This drawing of a male gorilla skeleton illustrates their very short legs. Male gorillas fight to gain access to reproductively mature females. Relatively short legs increase the stability and strength of great apes, and should therefore increase fighting performance. A new University of Utah study suggests human ancestors known as australopiths had short legs for the same reason, not just for climbing trees. (Credit: From Alfred Brehm, "Brehms Tierleben" ("Brehm's Life of Animals"), small edition, 1927)"The old argument was that they retained short legs to help them climb trees that still were an important part of their habitat," says David Carrier, a professor of biology. "My argument is that they retained short legs because short legs helped them fight."

The study analyzed leg lengths and indicators of aggression in nine primate species, including human aborigines. It is in the March issue of the journal Evolution.

Creatures in the genus Australopithecus -- immediate predecessors of the human genus Homo -- had heights of about 3 feet 9 inches for females and 4 feet 6 inches for males. They lived from 4 million to 2 million years ago.

"For that entire period, they had relatively short legs -- longer than chimps' legs but shorter than the legs of humans that came later," Carrier says.

"So the question is, why did australopiths retain short legs for 2 million years? Among experts on primates, the climbing hypothesis is the explanation. Mechanically, it makes sense. If you are walking on a branch high above the ground, stability is important because if you fall and you're big, you are going to die. Short legs would lower your center of mass and make you more stable."

Yet Carrier says his research suggests short legs helped australopiths fight because "with short legs, your center of mass is closer to the ground. It's going to make you more stable so that you can't be knocked off your feet as easily. And with short legs, you have greater leverage as you grapple with your opponent."

While Carrier says his aggression hypothesis does not rule out the possibility that short legs aided climbing, but "evidence is poor because the apes that have the shortest legs for their body size spend the least time in trees -- male gorillas and orangutans."

He also notes that short legs must have made it harder for australopiths "to bridge gaps between possible sites of support when climbing and traveling through the canopy."

Nevertheless, he writes, "The two hypotheses for the evolution of relatively short legs in larger primates, specialization for climbing and specialization for aggression, are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, selection for climbing performance may result in the evolution of a body configuration that improves fighting performance and vice versa."

Great Apes' Short Legs Provide Evidence for Australopith Aggression All modern great apes -- humans, chimps, orangutans, gorillas and bonobos -- engage in at least some aggression as males compete for females, Carrier says.

Carrier set out to find how aggression related to leg length. He compared Australian aborigines with eight primate species: gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, black gibbons, siamang gibbons, olive baboons and dwarf guenon monkeys. Carrier used data on aborigines because they are a relatively natural population.

For the aborigines and each primate species, Carrier used the scientific literature to obtain typical hindlimb lengths and data on two physical features that previously have been shown to correlate with male-male competition and aggressiveness in primates:

The weight difference between males and females in a species. Earlier studies found males fight more in species with larger male-female body size ratios. The male-female difference in the length of canine teeth, which are next to the incisors and are used for biting during fights. Carrier used male-female body size ratios and canine tooth size ratios as numerical indicators for aggressiveness because field studies of primates have used varying criteria to rate aggression. He says it would be like having a different set of judges for each competitor in subjective Olympic events like diving or ice dancing.

The study found that hindlimb length correlated inversely with both indicators of aggressiveness: Primate species with greater male-female differences in body weight and length of the canine teeth had shorter legs, and thus display more male-male combat.

There was no correlation between arm length and the indicators of aggression. Carrier says arms are used for fighting, but "for other things as well: climbing, handling food, grooming. Thus, arm length is not related to aggression in any simple way."

Verifying the Findings

Carrier conducted various statistical analyses to verify his findings. First, he corrected for each species' limb lengths relative to their body size. Primates with larger body sizes tend to have shorter legs, humans excepted. Without taking that into account, the correlation between body size and aggression indicators might be false.

Another analysis corrected for the fact different primate species are related. For example, if three closely related species all have short legs, it might be due to the relationship -- an ancestor with short legs -- and not aggression.

Even with the corrections, short legs still correlated significantly with the two indicators of aggressiveness.

The study also found that females in each primate species except humans have relatively longer legs than males. "If it is mainly the males that need to be adapted for fighting, then you'd expect them to have shorter legs for their body size," Carrier says.

He notes there are exceptions to that rule. Bonobos have shorter legs than chimps, yet they are less aggressive. Carrier says the correlation between short legs and aggression may be imperfect because legs are used for many other purposes than fighting.

Humans "are a special case" and are not less aggressive because they have longer legs, Carrier says. There is a physical tradeoff between aggression and economical walking and running. Short, squat australopiths were strong and able to stand their ground when shoved, but their short legs made them ill-suited for distance running. Slender, long-legged humans excel at running. Yet, they also excel at fighting. In a 2004 study, Carrier made a case that australopiths evolved into lithe, long-legged early humans only when they learned to make weapons and fight with them.

Now he argues that even though australopiths walked upright on the ground, the reason they retained short legs for 2 million years was not so much that they spent time in trees, but "the same thing that selected for short legs in the other great apes: male-male aggression and competition over access to reproductively active females."

In other words, shorter legs increased the odds of victory when males fought over access to females -- access that meant passing their genetic traits to offspring.

Yet, "we don't really know how aggressive australopiths were," Carrier says. "If they were more aggressive than modern humans, they were exceptionally nasty animals."

Why Should We Care that Australopiths Were Short and Nasty?

"Given the aggressive behavior of modern humans and apes, we should not be surprised to find fossil evidence of aggressive behavior in the ancestors of modern humans," Carrier says. "This is important because we have a real problem with violence in modern society. Part of the problem is that we don't recognize we are relatively violent animals. Many people argue we are not violent. But we are violent. If we want to prevent future violence we have to understand why we are violent."

"To some extent, our evolutionary past may help us to understand the circumstances in which humans behave violently," he adds. "There are a number of independent lines of evidence suggesting that much of human violence is related to male-male competition, and this study is consistent with that."

Nevertheless, male-male competition doesn't fully explain human violence, Carrier says, noting other factors such as hunting, competing with other species, defending territory and other resources, and feeding and protecting offspring.


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To: Stultis; fish hawk
I think that someday we will find that there are no particles, only theories of particles, which was called 'particle physics'
41 posted on 03/12/2007 8:09:48 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: blam
Nevertheless, male-male competition doesn't fully explain human violence, Carrier says, noting other factors such as hunting, competing with other species, defending territory and other resources, and feeding and protecting offspring.

Why did you leave out bitching, nagging, redicule, and adultry. These are far more commonplace pressures.

42 posted on 03/12/2007 8:11:31 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: fish hawk
But then you are probably somehow in time, related to monkeys, apes, and chimps, I am not.

Methinks doth protest too much.

43 posted on 03/12/2007 8:37:27 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (for those in Rio Linda, there's conservapedia)
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To: Stultis

Don't worry about it as there is no "evolutionary biology". There is biology however, it's a science. Anything with the word evolution in it is philosophy and one takes it by faith.


44 posted on 03/12/2007 9:57:09 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Stultis
Touche
45 posted on 03/12/2007 10:28:10 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: metmom
This is a lot of conjecture.

Come now, the debate is over! Sound familiar...?

46 posted on 03/12/2007 10:44:18 PM PDT by NewLand (Always remember September 11, 2001)
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To: Stultis

Touche

And I forgot, Do you agree with the article? They are using a gorilla skeleton to illustrate their point apparently.


47 posted on 03/12/2007 11:08:50 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: blam

I'm not sure I agree with the notion that short legs make a body more stable for fighting. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think it's just the opposite.

Picture two cameras, each sitting on its own tripod, and both sitting at the same height. But one tripod has long legs and a short neck (or whatever you call that extendable verticle pole that the camera sits on), the other has short legs and a long neck.

Which camera is less likely to get knocked over? I say the one sitting on the long legged tripod. Longer legs allow for more triangularity and therefore more stability.


48 posted on 03/12/2007 11:11:08 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Well certainly feet that tiny on a body that size would not make it more stable for fighting.
49 posted on 03/12/2007 11:24:37 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: ClearCase_guy
This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy. Did they find a fossilized motivation? Squat physique helped them fight? Maybe so. What did they fight over? Women? Bananas? Oysters? Who knows? Let's all make a wild guess and call it science.

They must have fought over women, because Apple Computer didn't exist yet.

50 posted on 03/12/2007 11:37:50 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: blam
The title of the article says 'curves are better for Stone Age Women' yet, when I consider curves, I consider that to mean both top and bottom,

Perhaps strangely, given their allure today, few of the figures had breasts.

If, however, you look at female idols that represent fertility, you note that they are always well endowed top and bottom.

51 posted on 03/13/2007 5:38:58 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: blam

And then they invented shoes....


52 posted on 03/13/2007 6:09:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Hoplite

LOL!


53 posted on 03/13/2007 6:10:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blam
"Female figurines dating back 15,000 years reveal that the preferred body shape for women was curvy with prominent buttocks.

Which tended to stimulate the growth of....

Oh; never mind....

54 posted on 03/13/2007 6:10:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: blam
"Female figurines dating back 15,000 years reveal that the preferred body shape for women was curvy with prominent buttocks.

Which tended to stimulate the growth of....

Oh; never mind....

55 posted on 03/13/2007 6:10:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Stultis

Hey!

Watch that 'bald' stuff!!!

56 posted on 03/13/2007 6:12:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: uglybiker

They CREEP!?

Mine has just shrunk!


57 posted on 03/13/2007 6:13:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RunningWolf
Do you agree with the article?

My off the cuff opinion as a layman is that the research seems sensible, rigorous and relevant, but for all that a pretty weak basis for the conclusion. Certainly it demonstrates that the data is not inconsistent with the aggression hypothesis, and there's some value in that, but I don't think the data is strong enough to establish that male fighting was a significant adaptive force here.

58 posted on 03/13/2007 6:20:03 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam. Women have proportionately longer torsos than do men, most of the time, but then around here men of Dutch ancestry tend to have longer torsos...

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To: Fiddlstix; shibumi

It is illegal to play Randy Newman's "Short People" on the radio in Maryland.

[New York may be a "state of mind" but Maryland is a state of psychosis]


60 posted on 03/13/2007 10:18:48 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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