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Duty, honor and a war with Iran (300)
Newsday.com ^ | 3/8/07 | James P. Pinkerton

Posted on 03/10/2007 9:01:45 AM PST by LdSentinal

Ready for a war with Iran? Hollywood is, at least in the form of a new movie, "300."

The film is a wildly inventive, comic-book-y feast of ancient history, bloody swordplay and patriotic rhetoric, ringing with the politics of today. Spawned by graphic novelist Frank Miller - who penned "The Dark Knight Returns," reviving the "Batman" franchise in the '80s, and who also created "Sin City" - "300" shows the Spartan good guys defeating the Persian bad guys at Thermopylae in 480 BC.

Oops, actually, the Spartans lost - were wiped out, in fact. But the Spartans won a moral victory, and the various Greek city-states managed to unite long enough to defeat the Persians in the overall war. And we know all about it from Herodotus, the father of history, who started a pro-Greek spin that spins to this day, 2,487 years later.

It's because of such books, and now movies, that we view these events as an epochal showdown between the manly and freedom-loving Westerners and the servile hordes of Asian tyrants.

The Spartan leader, Leonidas, was indeed a cool guy. Vastly outnumbered by the Persians, Leonidas and his 300 soldiers set a jaunty masculine tone that still informs the military ethos of grace under pressure. When a Persian emissary told him and his men to throw down their weapons and surrender, Leonidas shot back, "Come and get them!" Stirring words to live by - and die by - and to be remembered.

In 1835, for example, when the Anglo Texans rose in rebellion against Mexico, the Mexican commander demanded the English-speakers give up their lone cannon, to which the Texans, channeling the Spartans, responded, "Come and take it!"

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KEYWORDS: 300; historyrepeats; iran; movie
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1 posted on 03/10/2007 9:01:48 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

The movie seems (from the commercials) to be figuratively lame.


2 posted on 03/10/2007 9:03:14 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: LdSentinal

Loved Gates of Fire

Can't wait to see it tonight. My YR club is doing YR Night at the Movies for it, hoping for a good turnout


3 posted on 03/10/2007 9:03:43 AM PST by SShultz460
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To: SShultz460
Favorite line from the movie: "Thea mah taek hour ly'ves! Boot, thae'll nevah taek...HOUR FRAEDOOM!" All kidding aside, I loved Steve Pressfield's The Gates of Fire and, even though I know this will be a lot more fantasy than history, I'm going to check out the movie.
4 posted on 03/10/2007 9:07:25 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

I saw it yesterday, it was great, highly recommended.


5 posted on 03/10/2007 9:08:21 AM PST by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome.........CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: LdSentinal
"Every young man who sees this movie - and movies are mostly targeted at the young - is going to get a triple dose of adrenaline, male-bonding and macho pageantry. Words such as "duty," "honor" and "glory" are heard constantly through the film. Indeed, if spears and shields were replaced by M16s and Humvees, "300" could be a military recruitment film. Moreover, the Spartans are portrayed as strong, upright and conservative - there's even an image of Leonidas in the pose of a Christian martyr - whereas the Persians are depicted as effete, weird and decadent, all kinky and body-pierced. No wonder, then, that the Persians were lousy soldiers, victorious only because of behind-the-scenes maneuvering and outright betrayal. Indeed, the most sinister figure in the film is a Spartan politico who specifically identifies himself as a "realist.""

Considering the poor grasp of history many of today's youth possess, a lot of these people wouldn't be aware that the Spartans had a decidedly homosexual undercurrent in their culture, an element which pervaded the greater Greek civilization.

6 posted on 03/10/2007 9:08:26 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Laz711

Appreciated.


7 posted on 03/10/2007 9:09:08 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

300 doesn't go into that in any depth - certainly not anywhere near as bad as that Alexander film from a little while back.


8 posted on 03/10/2007 9:09:09 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

That's true. This movie looks and sounds more like 300 ROMANS at Thermopylae than 300 Spartans.


9 posted on 03/10/2007 9:11:05 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Spktyr

Very good movie. And if this is a politically motivated film, then braveheart is about the persian gulf war. /sarc

i saw no bias in this film...some people are just paranoid.


10 posted on 03/10/2007 9:11:44 AM PST by gun_supporter
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

That is very true, and you didn't see that at all in the movie...in fact, they poked fun at Athens about it.


11 posted on 03/10/2007 9:14:32 AM PST by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome.........CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Yeah, this will be a fantasy film. I bought the comic a long time ago and that one neither does it by the history books. Facts that will be left out are the homo/bisexuality and especially the caste of the Helots, the Spartan state-owned slaves which were treated extremely bad.

Their eugenic ideas made it in, though, and in the end become the reason for the death of the 300.

12 posted on 03/10/2007 9:16:02 AM PST by Schweinhund
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To: Laz711

Well...they evaded the topic. Didn't name it. But to be exact, they are ridiculing the Athenians as boy lovers, which is of course an insult, even if you yourself love men =/


13 posted on 03/10/2007 9:18:08 AM PST by Schweinhund
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What are you talking about??!! Those guys all looked like had been in the weight room, workin' out. They looked bad, especially the ones with the heavy jewelry and the cool tatoos on their triceps. The detail work on those chariots! And the ho's!

But if Vin Diesel ain't in it, I ain't seeing it.
14 posted on 03/10/2007 9:19:22 AM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Not only will it be lame, but also bad for your eyes.


15 posted on 03/10/2007 9:20:53 AM PST by dr_who_2
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To: LdSentinal
Saw it last night. Bloody fight scenes, a mish mash of act and fiction [Spartans without armor, and throwing their spears] that gets the major issues right, includes all the pithy sayings [although dinner in Hades is transferred to Hell], but totally ignores that Sparta was an oligarchy with TWO kings [never mentions the other one] that enslaved their Greek neighbors so they Spartan elite could spend their days readying for war, and used Agoge hit squads [the Criptea(?)] to kill the slaves. Instead Leonidas and the lads are portrayed as freedom loving democrats. As for the Persians, no beards. Xerxes looks like a bondage freak, the Immortals look like something out of a Kabuki theater, and the war elephants, battle rhino and assorted lifeforms fighting for Xerxes look like they're from the twilight zone.

Still, I've found worse ways to kill two hours. But I don't see the need to do this to a momentous battle, and turning point, in history. They cheapened it, and God help us, our youth are probably going to believe this is what actually happened [three school bussed were dropped off for a special showing yesterday afternoon.
16 posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:19 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LdSentinal

I know it's based on the comic book "300"... but anyway it's a missed chance. The style and visual art is awesome, but the ridiculous fantasy elements such as monsters and trolls (beside all the other inaccuracies) give it away.

I would have enjoyed a patriotic-spriited movie using historical analogies... but this one has gone awry.


17 posted on 03/10/2007 9:24:26 AM PST by SolidWood (Attack Iran NOW!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

It's pretty true to historic lore. You best go read Carnage and Culture, Why the West has won (Major Battles in History) by Victor David Hanson. The first two chapters set up a viewing of this flick very nicely. It's a clash of cultures, one that clearly separates man from the god(s) or God but aspires to be like Him. The other is one that accepts as fact gods live in the body of men, Kings, who arre the source of all inspiration and awe. For anyone to look upon a king such as Xeerxes would have been punishable by death. Submission and unnatural modesty is the order of the day. Persians perished by the 10's of thousands simply because they could not find the courage and confidence in themselves to shed their cloaks and robes at sea. The idolizer of the human form, the greeks were quite at ease exposing their flesh for convenience and as an expression of freedom. It's amazing and somewhat suspect this is the place and time someone has decided to open the eyes of the public to the history at play here. Really amazing. I'm kind of dumbfounded. I love it.


18 posted on 03/10/2007 9:25:20 AM PST by kinghorse (I didn't question Nancy's patriotism. I questioned her judgment - Dick Cheney 2007)
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To: kinghorse

What did you think about A War Like No Other by Hanson?


19 posted on 03/10/2007 9:27:06 AM PST by SShultz460
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To: LdSentinal

You seems to be awfully interested in posting articles about a movie you said on another thread you've not seen.


20 posted on 03/10/2007 9:29:51 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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