Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
I'm an NRA member and own two hand guns. I didn't bother to even try to get a carry permit in NYC. I moved to Orange County, and got a state carry permit.
I think Rudy understands the different roles that mayors and presidents play. I stand by my statements.
But, I am curious why I can find nothing about revoking permits in google searches.
Yes, I already said I was wrong. You must have missed it a few posts back. Again, I stand corrected on that point about FR being a republican forum.
My apologies. I didn't realize republicans have kooties around here.
BTW, what is your party affiliation?
how can you be a Christian, and vote for a candidate that is not only pro-abortion but pro partial birth abortion?
I'm not flaming, just trying to understand. The Canaanites were wiped from their land for sacrificing their children to Molech. Should we expect God's judgement on our land to be any less?
Rudy led through the recovery and now is saying "we need to be looking at Iran. We need to be looking at Syria."
The big picture is the survival of America under the combined attack of Islamoterrorists, the fifth-column media, and the peace Democrats. Rudy is the leader for that fight.
That he will nominate judges of the philosophy of Roberts, Alito and Scalia is the most important philosophical litmus test.
His record in New York is driving those on welfare into work, cutting taxes and reversing the fiscal catastrophe in the greatest demonstration of municipal conservative budgetary policy in history.
He slashed the killing and drained the swamp of porn, prostitution and other street crime.
His action vis-a-vis the museum as representing the culture war against faith is a signal indicator of his preeminent leadership on this vital issue.
And Rudy is very likable, too.
Doesn't have the siliconized synthetic lubrication of some of the choreographed animatronic candidates, but then, that's because he's a mensch.
Just a question: So, atheists can't be conservatives that are welcome on FR in discussions about politics or global warming or nanny state issues? Just asking. No smartalec, just asking a serious question.
Glad to hear that FR conservatives are doing their job.
I can answer this for myself-- it's because I believe that Rudy's election would more likely have a positive effect on the lessing of abortions than would _______ [fill in the blank]'s electoral loss.
Simply stated, I firmly belive that ultimately, we'd get more agressive anti-abortion legilation pushed through if I support Rudy than if I don't.
Trust him and listen to the Holy Spirit.
A complete suspension of disbelief is necessary to buy into that bit of spin, and a willful closing of one's eyes to the man's entire public career.
Rudy "understands" that a mayor in N.Y.C. can use baseless lawsuits to harass gun companies in other states who are not doing anything illegal, with the intention of putting them out of business. Is that what you meant?
Simply stated, that's outright foolishness. This is a NARAL politician, one who praised the racist eugenicist founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger.
You've got to be kidding. A discussion forum called FREE REPUBLIC is proud to inhibit discussions?
Good night EV. Catch you on the up side.
*PROPER*!
Okay, I give up - Rudy is the Devil, and for supporting Giuliani, I beg forgiveness from Duncan Hunter.
Good night.
If it ever comes down to a contest between Obama and Giuliani in 2008, expect much of the southern voters to stay home on election day or vote for a third party.
Of course you haven't. You haven't mastered cut and paste skills as yet. Thank God you figured out how to handle the shift key though...the lack of capital letters a few years back was aggravating.
Our host made it clear years ago that this was not a place for liberals to debate against conservatives. There are plenty of other forums for that. This is a place for discussions along the lines of the conservative philosophical ideals of Jim Robinson.
George W. Bush, who I supported, was just not a small government conservative. And Bush is as far as I'm willing to go in accomodating moderates or big government conservatives. Giuliani is on the wrong side of about 80-90% of the issues that are important to me, and has no unique or special competency on fighting our enemies.
Let's get back to Reagan Revolution/Contract with America conservatism. And let's do it better this time.
I lurk over your fights every evening.
Love it.
I don't have the passion, or writing skills to keep up.
Its like a bad accident I just have to look.
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