Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Yeah I am no McCainbot, I do not like him.
Perhaps so.
They're now also being tolerated from a different group of screen names as well as the ones that have been allowed to do it all along.
You see beyond your stupidty. I will not vote for Rudy Juliani. You go ahead a compromise; again, and again, and again.
Then he should run as a DEM.
I will support Rudy when Edwards apologizes to Ann and gives back all of the Coulter cash.
Of the three, I respect Romney the most. Though pro-abortion before, he has always supported restrictions on abortions and gradually converted into the pro-life side. He clearly stood up for the 2nd Amendment at that Florida gun show, and he fought the gay-marriage in Massasschusetts. Plus he's an accomplished businessman.
And that's what really galls many of the Rudyites. In the past they've been able to shut down criticism of the GOP by invoking Jim's words. Now that they're unable to pull that trump card they're suddenly up in arms about the climate around here.
Funny how that works.
There is now way I will support this gun grabbing, pro gay, pro illegal, pro abortion, globalist, womanizing, rino. Ever.
Any so-called conservative politician who doesn't show up in the primaries held by the party with the most conservative voters -- the Republican party -- doesn't deserve my vote in the general election running as a third party candidate.
- Those who support him because they believe he is the only Republican who can win and as such they are willing to ignore his liberal politics.
- And those who support him because his liberal politics most resemble their own.
I have a feeling that many in the second group feel attacked because they recognize that their liberal beliefs are incompatible with those of most FReepers.
This southern boy WON'T be voting for Rudy.
Cutting spending in Washington is a whole new ballgame, bro.
So far, Rudy hasn't outlined any ideas on how to reduce the size and power of the federal government. I don't think he will, which means the status-quo will continue and the U.S. budget may hit $10 trillion by 2015.
Reagan was down by over 30 points in 1980 -- look how that turned out.
Glad to hear it. Was starting to wonder if EVERYONE had been assimilated on this site.
I don't think Jim has made such a statement, which is a sign of wisdom. "Never say never" is a good saying to live by.
I suspect that while Jim has made his views on Rudy known, he is reserving the right to re-evaluate the situation IF Rudy is nominated - as will all the other Freepers currently coming out against Rudy.
Best not to say "never" and then have to eat those words. (Been there, done that!)
For the record, I will vote for WHOEVER the GOP nominates against Hitlary because she MUST be defeated.
Uh, who says he's going to win the nomination? You do realize the primaries haven't started and nobody really knows about Rudy's socialist record yet, do you?
It's a common philosophy in primaries; it's not entirely falacious, but is often taken too far. Focusing entirely on "picking a candidate that can win" is like playing the Prevent defense: the only thing it prevents is victory.
IMHO, one of the biggest traps Republicans fall into is that they work harder on trying to take away reasons for people to vote for their opponent than on giving people reasons to vote for them. Picking a candidate who's indistinguishable from the opponent may be a good way of capturing a lot of votes the opponent would otherwise have gotten, but will be a lousy way of attracting support from the base.
This is the problem with the spamming and propaganda, that is being posted to FR, by those who have been launching a concerted effort, since the very first thread about Rudy first appeared on FR..........it is, all of it, 1/2 truths, things taken completely out of context, cherry-picked quotes from the MSM that HATED/HATES Rudy, made up things, and base propaganda. I would have no qualms with people stating, ACCURATE refutations of why they are against Rudy, bit that has, for the most part, NOT been done.
Just hit the numbers at the bottom of the posts, to back track to the original post, that I replied to, in order to find that what I stated is true.
Anyone that has been here for a number of years and doesn't deny reality knows that to be true.
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