Posted on 03/04/2007 11:21:03 AM PST by at bay
Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian, in an abrupt move on Sunday, declared that Taiwan must seek independence.
"On the 25th birthday of FAPA (the Formosan Association for Public Affairs), I want to put forward the 'four musts and one no' call. They are: Taiwan must seek independence, must rectify its name, must have a new constitution and must seek development," Chen said at the dinner party marking the 25th anniversary of founding of FAPA, a US- based pro-independence group formed by overseas Taiwanese.
The island of Taiwan, formerly known as Formosa and officially called the Republic of China, was site of the Chinese Nationalist government-in-exile at the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949.
In explaining the "four musts and one no," Chen said that Taiwan's seeking independence owed to the country's being a sovereign state, independent of the People's Republic of China, and that independence was common dream and goal of Taiwan's people.
He said the country should apply for membership of the United Nations under the name "Taiwan," frame a new constitution and develop its economy and democracy in keeping with being an independent nation.
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I'm somewhat skeptical that China would attack immediately. But they're likely to move up the date and refine the contingencies.
In terms of the other issues . . .
The rulers
DO NOT CARE.
BTW, how long have you lived there?
How many well connected sorts did you have long dialogues with?
I'm glad that an event that could potentially lead to war with China has a grand total of one thread, not in breaking news, with less than 50 responses. Anna Nicole Smith and Ann Coulter have really stolen the show.
"I'm somewhat skeptical that China would attack immediately. But they're likely to move up the date and refine the contingencies."
Move it up is the key word. The longer Taiwan waits, the stronger China gets.
"How many well connected sorts did you have long dialogues with?"
I know a number of Taiwanese expat business types. I also pay very close attention to Pac Rim news.
THROUGHOUT China's history the serfs were to dispose of at the leaders' whim for the leaders' inscrutable reasons and that was that.
At this point, they are quite willing to give up major portions of population--ALL the American market and whatever else to establish their hegenomy . . . FOR THE CHINESE NATION--THE CHINESE CULTURE.
And even . . . again . . . merely for personal pride. And that puts it mildly.
Agreed, there would be much left of Taiwan after the fight anyway.
"At this point, they are quite willing to give up major portions of population--ALL the American market and whatever else to establish their hegenomy . . . FOR THE CHINESE NATION--THE CHINESE CULTURE. "
I understand. China also has a long and turbulent history. I do not think the current regime is long for this earth. I give them 10 years on the outside.
I have no idea what they will be replaced with. It wouldn't surprise me to see regional rivalries arise again.
Yeah, even if China manages to win it, what would they win but something resembling the surface of the moon.
would =would NOT
Time to go have a drink, 2012 might be sooner then 2012. The Chicoms are going to react I think.
I had a connection with lots of Central Committee . . . experience.
Other close friends saw many high ranking officials in a professional capacity routinely.
And I had other contacts as well.
I'm also not a bad psychologist and not a bad sociologist.
There is SOME chance China will play this cool but I do not expect it to appear that way on the surface.
And I also expect them to ramp up their military options.
There is also the puppet masters. They may not give China the green light for war at this time. Though some prophetic voices have been somewhat vocal about this year being a very dangerous one on that score.
But China on it's own--this is enough to send them into epileptic fits--violent ones.
BTTT
Im sure we have ohios in range of china not to mention our icbms,our forces in Japan,gaum,and hawaii as well.F-22's and F-15's are in Japan.B-2's,B-52's,b1-b's,F-15's and F-16's are in Guam, and we have forward deployed naval assets in the region.Lets see what the chicoms do.
A lot of Taiwanese think that China wouldn't want to destroy so much equipment and goods etc. on Taiwan.
They are crazy. China doesn't care a flip about that. They'd neutron bomb the place, destroy all life and scoop up the equipment in a flash.
Cedrtainly China cares SOME about money. Greed is alive and well there.
But compared to pride--greed is a very poor second.
Give taiwan a few nukes. Ask the chicoms will they trade shanghai,beijing,and other major cities for Taipei.
They don't care. They could point to the map and exalt that Beijing was in CONTROL of the craters.
That would be more than sufficient to justify it to them.
Might just divert our attention from Iran as well. I hope they are not the victor if this heats up
imho,
We stupidly insisted Taiwan scuttle it's nuke program.
ONE puzzle piece which MIGHT HINT that this will be cooled off at all costs . . .
the NK 'resolution' and the mollifying noises about Iran . . . maybe Linda Moulton HOwe is right that the puppet masters are just trying to keep a lid on things until 2012.
"They'd neutron bomb the place, destroy all life and scoop up the equipment in a flash. "
A neutron bombs EMP would fry any and all electronics. It would be intact... paperweights.
Ask you self how many years the communist party has had taiwan under its control. Its not theirs.
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