The Real Rudy

Newsweek ^ | 3/4/07 | Susannah Meadows, Mark Hosenball, Michael Isikoff, Eve Conant, Sarah Childress, Andrew Romano and Jo

[Blackirish]

Rudy Giuliani had been speaking for six minutes before anyone in the audience thought to clap, which was exactly the way he wanted it. Talking to a political crowd in North Spartanburg, S.C., last month, the former New York City mayor and 2008 presidential candidate was not there to excite but to warn; he was less interested in making political promises than he was in sketching out the perils we face. He spoke in the hushed tones of the day that marked him for history, September 11, 2001, his voice barely filling the somber setting—not a hotel ballroom or a church basement, but a firehouse, festooned with American flags.

[Luke21]

Your pro-Rudy piece is more along the lines of the honest debate needed here. You laid out your views in an intellectual fashion and made persuasive arguments, rather than questioning people's sexuality and the other ad hominems I often see.

You won't change my mind, certainly. But there is something to be said for having a dignified argument, and certainly the influence that comes from one's behavior during disagreements can be substantial. Well done and my best to you.

[narses]

"and why they refuse to acknowledge he is a conservative on just about every non-social issue ..."

Gun control? Illegal immigration? Sorry, no sale.

[Carry_Okie]

Is this the same Duncan Hunter who bounced $129,000 worth of checks to the House bank?

This is disinformation. Hunter's checks bounced because of screw-ups at the House Bank. He not only accounted for every penny, but for three days set up a card table in front of the El Cajon courthouse with copies of his checks, ready to explain each one to any voter.

Keep up the libel turkey and somebody just may get back to you.

[Finalapproach29er]

Build 'em up, then tear 'em down later.

Typical media pattern.

[AuntB]

Then I will see for myself how many Rudy supporters were trashing Hunter -- most never heard of him until recently.

Search: DuncanHunter, you'll see it if you want to. There has been a group out to get Hunter from day one, with LIES. And they are the same people rooting for Rudy and the same old open border crowd.

You call the truth about Rudy 'Mudslinging', but have no problem about the lies on this very thread about Hunter. Wow.

[narses]

"To begin with, Rudy is AGAINST gay marriage."

Joy. And yet he has been a vocal supporter of "gay rights" - can you tell me what that means?

[PhiKapMom]

Well this Rudy supporter NEVER goes on Hunter threads. I don't think I should go on Duncan threads since he's not my candidate. I guess for me its a matter of respect. I stay only on the Rudy threads.

I went on one time to support someone that I had the same info and gathered it for a project I was doing unrelated to politics. Last time I have been on a Hunter thread.

Funny thing, I just went back and checked the threads -- very few Rudy supporters are there in November and December. Very few negative comments as well from any one on the Rudy ping list. Nothing even comes close to the negatives that are put on these threads and didn't find any graphics about Rudy on the Hunter threads from November/December.

[My GOP]

See Post 78.

[narses]

I did. You twist reality in defence of a liberal liar. Sorry. No sale.

[My GOP]

Nope, I used his actual quotes.

[upsdriver]

""The man who stood up to the leftist elites and said "Not in my city!" when they wanted to display a statue of the Blessed Mother defiled, wins my vote. Period."

48,000,000 babies defiled or murdered and he gets your vote for rescuing a statue? Aren't you even a bit conflicted?

[narses]

So do I.

Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Sorry, no sale.

[Blackirish]

You don't have to lie about Hunter to show he is unelectable. He is a fiscal liberal/social conservative. Much like W ..George Allen...Rick Santuram. That combination is last years model and you can't give it away.

It's worth about 30% of the general.

Dunkin Hunter is completely unknown to the vast majority of Americans and he has a much chance of being the next POTUS as Custer's Bugler.

His big spending pro-earmark record right here.

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2006/10/duncan_hunters_voting_record.php

[jimbo123]

Thanks for the link: Duncan Hunter's record is a funny one...


. [105th] H.CON.RES.175 : Expressing the sense of Congress regarding the need for a comprehensive management strategy to save the tundra from continued excessive depredations by the mid-continent lesser snow goose.
Sponsor: Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] (introduced 10/24/1997)

[PhiKapMom]

I just researched and cannot find enough negative comments in November/December to amount to anything. No graphics that I could find.

I am not posting any negative info I have on here except maybe against Romney or McCain. I haven't even done much of that and anyone that knows me knows I don't like McCain.

You painted a group of people with a broad brush and yet I had a hard time finding any people on the Rudy ping list that are posting a bunch of negatives on Hunter threads. In fact, I only found a few people posting at all in Nov/Dec. I vowed to stay off Hunter threads after seeing that people on here are not interested in much of anything except being spoonfed.

But yet you all come on Rudy threads and claim we are doing the same which is not exactly factual.

[My GOP]

Rudy is not the abortion on demand liberal people make him out to be. He is against partial birth abortions, contrary to the misinformation some on here are posting. On Hannity Rudy said “Partial-birth abortion, I think that's going to be upheld(by the USSC). I think that ban is going to be upheld. I think it should be.” And as soon as Rudy got finished saying this, Hannity acknowledged, “There's a misconception that you supported partial-birth abortion”. So there we have, Rudy is against partial birth abortions. Rudy is also for parental notification. He also acknowledged this on Hannity. So Rudy certainly isn’t for abortion on demand.

In general on abortion, we have a pro-life President now but we are still having abortions. No president has the power to stop abortion. Rudy has already said he supports strict constructionist judges like John Roberts. He constantly praised the President for appointing Roberts and Alito. On Hannity Rudy said “I think the appointment of judges that I would make would be very similar to, if not exactly the same as, the last two judges that were appointed. Chief Justice Roberts is somebody I work with, somebody I admire, Justice Alito someone I knew when he was U.S. attorney, also admire. If I had been president over the last four years, I can't think of any, you know, that I'd do anything different with that.” Assuming Rudy gets elected President and appoints Roberts-like justices then maybe Roe v. Wade will get overturned. But even if it does get overturned we know that this won’t stop all abortions. The abortion issue would then revert back to the states and does anyone really think California would outlaw abortions? Being pragmatic in our thinking we all know we can't completely stop abortions. Therefore voting solely on this issue very unpragmatic. I hate abortions like everyone else on here but I realize that regardless of how many pro-life presidents we elect, its just not going to stop.

Sorry, this is political reality. There is no political solution to abortion. If a woman wants an abortion, she will have an abortion. Its time to start thinking with our heads as well as our hearts.

[narses]

Your quote:

On Hannity Rudy said, “I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms.”

The rest of the story: Tuesday, June 20, 2000
MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY

[My GOP]

My quotes 7 years more recent.

[narses]

You say:

He is against partial birth abortions,...

Yippee! The other 99% of dead babies rejoice, right?

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment only two were Republican.

All of his other judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
Rudolph Giuliani

[PhiKapMom]

Guess no action on their threads so they come here to Rudy threads and post their info. Not working, we keep getting more to the ping list of people that are tired of the spammers on Rudy threads.